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<p>[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 2129385, member: 41863"]You would be wise to buy some of these auction catalogs. Many of these coins ARE in TPG plastic. We see the pedigrees, but even in these auction catalogs if you follow the plate number to the description they all say PCGS-XX or NGC-ZZ etc. So they are part of the population of toned coins in slabs. </p><p><br /></p><p>Again your statistics are skewed. If it is less than 1% of all certified coins, well duh. There is a finite number or close to it of these early classic monster or rainbow toned coins (exempting the tone Drs who can easily replicate these) and an ever increasing population of modern coins and 'conserved' coins (dipping uglies and such), then of course your population is going to appear small. </p><p><br /></p><p>But again, in context of who collects these 'toned' coins, they will be near the upper end of the collecting scale in terms of savvy and knowledge and understanding of the importance of original skin and the value of one of a kind toning on scarce remaining example for this to even occur. </p><p><br /></p><p>So look at those catalogs and who would be buying these high end specimens and you start to see these Stacks offerings, ElIasberg's, Newmans, etc. A lot of which had PLENTY of toned coins. Where do you think those coins are now? In our hands trading back and forth. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also you claim you didn't see any Rainbow toned coins in my photos? What were you looking at?</p><p><br /></p><p>Just in my first and second picture respectively. I would like to know how these coins specifically don't represent rainbow toning. I may need some education here. And I can take pictures if need be zoomed in for clarity, I just snapped quick shots earlier to show a point. </p><p><br /></p><p>I'm gonna post lot number followed by denomination. These can be found in those first 2 pictures I posted from the catalogs. </p><p><br /></p><p>214 5c</p><p>232 5c</p><p>332 30c</p><p>342 25c</p><p>271 10c</p><p>337 25c</p><p>344 25c</p><p><br /></p><p>347 25c</p><p>352 25c</p><p>359 25c</p><p>361 25c</p><p>363 25c</p><p>355 25c</p><p><br /></p><p>And you are also right. These are obviously the plate coins. The keys. These catalogs had TONS of lots, many of which didn't receive pictures. I would imagine the plate coins would give a fair idea of the taste and consistency of these high end collectors so that one could infer that there more common counterparts would look like. Let's take you for example. I would expect if you showed me any key date coin and it was a high grade well toned specimen, I could infer that your easier to obtain coins probably look even better since you can obtain higher quality coins at a discount to the keys and you want them to all match, etc. Same idea with these plates, they are just examples or the highlights of the auction, merely a sampling. </p><p><br /></p><p>I can take pictures of those listings if you want? </p><p><br /></p><p>I also found this interesting today:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]405273[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>That's the newest edition of Coast to Coast </p><p><br /></p><p>Lot of iridescent this, blue-green thats, rainbow toned here, and such. Very descriptive words that aren't found on eBay and yet still can be assured the offering is a decently toned coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>Toned coins are not hard to find in classic series in grades above AU. They just aren't.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 2129385, member: 41863"]You would be wise to buy some of these auction catalogs. Many of these coins ARE in TPG plastic. We see the pedigrees, but even in these auction catalogs if you follow the plate number to the description they all say PCGS-XX or NGC-ZZ etc. So they are part of the population of toned coins in slabs. Again your statistics are skewed. If it is less than 1% of all certified coins, well duh. There is a finite number or close to it of these early classic monster or rainbow toned coins (exempting the tone Drs who can easily replicate these) and an ever increasing population of modern coins and 'conserved' coins (dipping uglies and such), then of course your population is going to appear small. But again, in context of who collects these 'toned' coins, they will be near the upper end of the collecting scale in terms of savvy and knowledge and understanding of the importance of original skin and the value of one of a kind toning on scarce remaining example for this to even occur. So look at those catalogs and who would be buying these high end specimens and you start to see these Stacks offerings, ElIasberg's, Newmans, etc. A lot of which had PLENTY of toned coins. Where do you think those coins are now? In our hands trading back and forth. Also you claim you didn't see any Rainbow toned coins in my photos? What were you looking at? Just in my first and second picture respectively. I would like to know how these coins specifically don't represent rainbow toning. I may need some education here. And I can take pictures if need be zoomed in for clarity, I just snapped quick shots earlier to show a point. I'm gonna post lot number followed by denomination. These can be found in those first 2 pictures I posted from the catalogs. 214 5c 232 5c 332 30c 342 25c 271 10c 337 25c 344 25c 347 25c 352 25c 359 25c 361 25c 363 25c 355 25c And you are also right. These are obviously the plate coins. The keys. These catalogs had TONS of lots, many of which didn't receive pictures. I would imagine the plate coins would give a fair idea of the taste and consistency of these high end collectors so that one could infer that there more common counterparts would look like. Let's take you for example. I would expect if you showed me any key date coin and it was a high grade well toned specimen, I could infer that your easier to obtain coins probably look even better since you can obtain higher quality coins at a discount to the keys and you want them to all match, etc. Same idea with these plates, they are just examples or the highlights of the auction, merely a sampling. I can take pictures of those listings if you want? I also found this interesting today: [ATTACH=full]405273[/ATTACH] That's the newest edition of Coast to Coast Lot of iridescent this, blue-green thats, rainbow toned here, and such. Very descriptive words that aren't found on eBay and yet still can be assured the offering is a decently toned coin. Toned coins are not hard to find in classic series in grades above AU. They just aren't.[/QUOTE]
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