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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2115677, member: 15309&quot;]They are both unethical.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t matter that only one is illegal.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Just so we&#039;re clear, are you claiming that you don&#039;t know that I have been selling toned coins &amp; Jefferson Nickels on E-Bay for the last 3 years?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So you opinions on this subject are based upon your fledgling attempt at coin doctoring.&nbsp; Thats great!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Those coins are not getting by the graders at NGC or PCGS, even the OP has agreed with that.&nbsp; There are a bunch of clowns on E-Bay who doctor coins and create some wild outrageously artificially toned coins.&nbsp; Bphis is one of those sellers.&nbsp; However, he clearly states that the coins are AT so he is not trying to deceive anyone.&nbsp; His coins are obviously AT, so the only people who would be deceived in the first place are complete noobs.&nbsp; So it seems that everyone is protected from Bphis. </p><p><br /></p><p>But we are not talking about the likes of Bphis.&nbsp; You and the OP are taking shots at people who sell NGC &amp; PCGS certified rainbow toned coins with the insinuation that we have a secret source for these coins, meaning a coin doctor who can get coins past the graders at NGC &amp; PCGS.&nbsp; Since you don&#039;t think I am in the group, I wanna know who you are referring to?&nbsp; Are you talking about Shane?&nbsp; How about Brandon Kelley?&nbsp; Your opinion in this thread is nothing more than fear mongering as you have absolutely no proof to support your accusations.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Is that all you got?&nbsp; If AT coins is a rampant problem that necessitates a blanket BEWARE statement, you guys should have no shortage of examples to show me.&nbsp; You have to do better than that.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So you think that the number of rainbow toned coins is increasing.&nbsp; Why, because you see more of them?&nbsp; The reason you see more is because it is much easier to photograph them with advances in digital photography and much easier to share them with the world with the expansion of the internet.&nbsp; We have gone from Heritage using this as their photographs in 2002:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Picture1289.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>to this in 2011:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/MD%201886%20NGC%20MS65%20Ebay_zps3yyebfnh.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The apparent increase in toned coins over the last decade is an illusion.&nbsp; They have always been there, they just haven&#039;t been online for everyone to see.&nbsp; The only series where I would expect to see constant expansion in the numbers of toned coins relative to untoned coins would be from the 20th century modern silvers that toned up nicely in both mint sets and albums.&nbsp; Many of the untoned examples still are not worth having them graded while the rainbow toned examples can draw a price that justifies the grading cost. But even in that scenario, there is absolutely nothing sinister.&nbsp; Now, if 200 rainbow toned Peace Dollars suddenly show up on the market in NGC holders, then we have a problem.&nbsp; Right now, both TPGs do an excellent job of weeding out questionably toned coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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