Beware of rainbow toning

David,

Are we gonna discuss these coins, or are you gonna leave me hangin?

Paul

 

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#5, #7, #9 and #10 are AT. All the rest are NT.

 

I thought we were on an Internet chat site where very little of what happens here actually matters. I always thought of this as an entertaining pastime. Good luck solving the worlds numismatically important problems from an Internet chat site.

 

Oh I dunno, Vic. I learned a great deal here - like that collectors who collect toners for toning's sake are essentially a specific branch of numismatics, like CONECA or TEC or TAMS or something like that. They stand to the side of the mainstream, but are a welcome part of the amalgam. They ought to have their own club meetings at ANA August shows.

 

I have learned an incredible amount on this site. I just think the whole field of numismatics could be entirely described as trivial. We are not curing cancer here, saving lives in combat or collaborating on the manufacture of the next nasa space vehicle. We collect sometimes shiny and sometimes colored disks of metal. And not only that but right now we are just discussing numismatics with random internet strangers. We are not even collaborating on a new "Overton" system. Just shooting the breeze.

Don't get me wrong I love coins and spending time and money on them. I just don't see any of this as productive or important in the grand scheme of things.

 

Agreed. All of us on CT, every blessed one of us, is already not quite right in the head. Self-awareness is the beginning of enlightenment. As for curing diseases, I will have to content myself with the role of the guinea pig rather than the scientist.

 

I still seek my calling.........

 

On the other hand Vic, whether it your intention or not, your collection, while it is in your care, is being lovingly curated and preserved for future generations, which will have the pleasure of seeing historical objects in as nearly their pristine state as possible. Take a bow.

 

David,

How are you coming to the conclusion that those 4 coins are AT? Within the confines of this thread, we have seen that it is impossible to determine the originality of toning with 100% certainty. In addition, we have seen coins graded by the TPGs which are indeed AT.

The only 2 coins that I think we can definitively call AT are coins #5 and #7. Coin #5 because no Morgan Dollar tones like that. The colors are wrong as are the progressions. But even that coin has some indicators of NT. It is obviously supposed to be an EOR toned Morgan, but if the colors in that photo are accurate, there is no way it is anything but AT.

The other coin is #7, the 1965 Kennedy Half Dollar. The reason I called that coin AT was because I used to own it, and that is my photograph.

Beautifully Artificially Toned--Kennedy Half Dollar

The fact is that you are making determinations about the originality of toning from photographs. My photograph makes that coin look less questionable than it really is. Likewise, the photograph of #9 is ridiculously bad and there is no way it looks like that at all. If you saw that Morgan in hand you might change your mind. I personally have never seen an AT Morgan with pull away toning.

Can you tell us which of these coins are raw/graded and provide the grades of those that are graded? Thanks!

Paul

 

Kurt,

Not sure I understand what you mean here. In my experience, most top end collections of US silver coins are usually comprised of beautifully toned coins and it is those collections that define what is mainstream. Are you talking about guys like AB on the CU forum who just collect every monster toned Morgan they can find? It seems that you are tying to categorize those who prefer toned coinage as a radical sect within numismatics. If that is the case, I'm afraid you have some more learning to do.

 

No, perhaps I merely lack the adequate amount of indoctrination. "Radical sect" was your terminology, but in the interest of comity, I'll agree to use it. Thanks. Radical sect it is.

 

Lol, smh!

 

Seems kinda topical with the recent "outing" of Scientology.

At the very minimum, there is a "branch" consisting of a considerable disagreement. My 52+ years in collecting hardly qualifies as ignorance. I am aware the toning camp runs in a higher priced circle, but that doesn't mean I am obligated to value it higher, and I choose not to.

In addition, while I have found this entire thread useful, NOTHING compares to the raw enjoyment of seeing that ASE monstrosity in a PCGS MS69 holder. OMG! Even PCI only 68ed it with QT disclaimer. I nearly wet myself laughing.

Oh yeth. PCGS ith the betht!

 

Thanks for bursting my bubble, Vic. You mean the last 30+ years of my numismatic life aren't going to produce world peace or end hunger?

I'm vexed. Sorely vexed!

 

Good you mentioned that. The splash pattern of a burst bubble makes a unique pattern when flung upon a silver coin, and when it is found, some collectors with more dollars than sense will bid it up to 10x its otherwise normal value because it's unusual and tells a story. (I think I just threw up a little on my mouth.)

 

Ya know that hot feeling ya get up the back of your neck when somebody takes a potshot at toning as a positive attribute in coins, you toning specialists? Ya know the feeling? Some jabronie is spouting off about the essence of your business? That's the EXACT SAME feeling I get when coin people talk about modern monetary economics, like David Hall pretending he has a quarter of a clue about metals and currencies. He's not qualified to have an opinion that anybody should take seriously. Neither does Daniela Cambone from Kitco on the 'net, or Patrick Heller, or most any other coin dealer. Economics is a special profession, and it's no more "okay" to be an amateur commentator in it as in brain surgery. Jus' sayin'.

 

60 years from now dealers will invent some other new thing to profit from on coins. They always do.

 

I have to go back and read again...I must have missed that.

Oh...OK

 

Unless there is video evidence of the AT procedure, how exactly would you prove with 100% certainty that toning is AT or NT?

Please show me a Morgan Dollar that is market acceptable with that color scheme!

 

I also learned a slick new turn of phrase - "marketing acceptable".