Beware - a seller that keeps selling a tainted 1895-O Morgan

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  1. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser Just plain busted

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  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    He badly and deliberated misrepresented the coin in his picture, for one thing. Selling is not supposed to be the art of seeing what you can get away with. Jerks like this guy are all too many. May I suggest we don’t defend them?
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2019
  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Care to elaborate? What did the OP deserve, what did he do to deserve it, and what outcome should he have expected if he wasn't "lucky"?
     
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  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Let's have a look at that title one more time:

    1895-O -- check.
    Morgan Silver Dollar -- check. Off to a good start!
    CHOICE -- LIAR.
    Uncirculated -- LIAR.
    BU -- PANTS ON FIRE.
    Very Rare -- well, it's not entirely cooked yet...
    "New Orlean -- typo, we'll let it slide.
    Coin!!! -- yay!!!

    If you don't consider flat-out lying to constitute "fraud", I'm not sure this discussion has much of a future. :(
     
  6. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser Just plain busted

     
  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Oh, what nonsense.

    Here's how I described the last problem coin I sold on eBay:
    I listed it BIN/BO with a high asking price. I got my full asking price, and this positive feedback:
    That's the way it's SUPPOSED to work.

    If I'd listed this as RARE KEY DATE 1894-O BARBER HALF CHOICE BU UNC MS MONSTER RAINBOW TONED, I might have gotten more views, and might even have been able to demand a higher price -- but I would have been LYING, not "stretching the truth", and unless I was able to take advantage of a clueless buyer the first time around, I would've gotten a return.

    I don't care to misrepresent items I'm selling; I want my buyers to be satisfied with what they get. If you want to parse out differences between "stretching the truth" to make an item seem desirable and fraudulent misrepresentation, I can't stop you. But I do hope I don't end up bidding on any auctions where you've done so.
     
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  8. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    That’s what the description said:
    Looks Uncirculated. Very pretty coin.

    I also believe the seller knew well the coin was only AU and cleaned, but the description is not too bad, compared to other listings...
     
  9. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    The pictures sure look like an obvious problem coin to me.
     
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  10. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    What you cite falls under Federal Trade Commission regulations. It has a parallel with this only in the mind of someone who thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to see what you can get away with.

    Like someone else said, I don’t think this discussion is going anywhere.
     
  11. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    Update. The seller started sending me guilt e-mails complaining that I was trying to take advantage of him, and that if it had been a true BU UNC coin, that it would have been taking advantage of him for thousands of dollars.

    Crocodile tears for sure.

    The fact is that if he knew this about the coin, he obviously would have had it certified as such - but instead was trying to sell a problem coin raw, and lied about condition.

    There is a difference between saying "coin is raw" and allowing someone to judge condition and bid based on it - and blatantly stating a condition and/or grade as a lie. Calling the coin a "Choice BU Uncirculated" coin when in fact you know that it is a problem coin is a blatant and deceptive lie.

    Also, he stalled on accepting the delivery for 2 weeks, and I had to escalate to Ebay to get my money back. Ebay took less than an hour of review to decide the case in my favor, and acknowledged that he had done this before with the same coin. He also had problems refunding the money to the previous 2 buyers.

    I will get my money back - after escalation. And I'm really hoping that Ebay will yank his account since he is a habitual liar and fraudulent seller.

    I fully understand gambling on raw coins. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But when a seller blatantly lies - it's another story. This was obvious fraud, and it's ending poorly for the fraudster (and me too).

    All in all, it cost me $51 since I opted to insure the package at my own expense. I really wanted the coin, and if it was in fact an AU55/AU58 I would have been happy at the price - since it matched my collection so well.

    But this was a blatant attempt at doctoring, altering and lying. If I was in a store and saw the coin in hand, I never would have purchased - and the auction description should contain the truth.
     
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  12. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    Update 2: kremlin_collector

    This user is no longer registered on eBay.

    Victory!

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  13. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Ar ar ar
     
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