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<p>[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4488617, member: 51347"]Alegandron said: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.359690/goto/post?id=4487489#post-4487489" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.359690/goto/post?id=4487489#post-4487489">↑</a></p><p>Wow, nice write-up, @Sulla80RR Anon AE Sextans 211-206 BCE Prob Sicily-Katana mintage Cr 69-6a Sear 1211</p><p>An interesting coin that raises another of my key questions about these coins - how local bronzes were minted and used side-by-side with official Roman coins. <a href="http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" rel="nofollow">This review</a> of Crawford's "Coinage and Money Under the Roman Republic" by Buttrey offers an interesting comment.</p><p><br /></p><p>"During the Second Punic War the Romans struck in Sicily, notably at Catana (where much bronze was produced by overstriking Syracusan). But local bronze continued to be struck as late as the early Empire, somehow to be exchanged against the Roman denarii. Some bronze even imitated Roman types (the Janus-head asses of Panormus) but not the Roman weight system, indicating that local accommodation of incommensurate systems was permitted."</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=99456]@Sulla80[/USER] , I have several coins from Italia that were Allies, subject to, etc. with Rome. Many fit within the Roman system, several probably did not. There were different weight measures, as well as several minting cities in Italia using 10 Unciae to an As, as opposed to Rome having 12 Unciae to an As. I reckon since many Italians and the Romans use raw Bronze (Aes Rude) as currency. They were all probably pretty used to weighing Bronze to equate transactions. This probably extended to Sicily transactions also.</p><p><br /></p><p>It really wasn’t until the Pyrrhic War (280-275 BCE) and the Second Punic War (218-201 BCE) that Rome moved into their “modern” age of having Silver Coinage and a more standardized Bronze coinage system. Additionally, it was not until after the close of the Second Punic War, that Roman coinage became standard across Italia. Remember, many of the Italian Cities who were Roman Allies, were breaking away from Rome during the Second Punic War.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ultimately, the Social War 90-88 BCE consolidated Italia.</p><p><br /></p><p>[EDIT] - Addendum: One thing that my Roman History Professor impressed in us... the Romans had Contracts, Treaties, and Agreements for everything. Each City, State, Entity that interacted with Rome to become an Ally or other mutual relationship was bound and tied into a Treaty. EACH were written INDEPENDENTLY and none were the same with the various Allies. Codicils within these Treaties/Contracts/Agreements probably drove each of the Allied Cities' rights of coinage, etc. This was the fabric of Roman Italia during the Republic down to the Social War, in which Rome LOST politically, and won Militarily.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just a thought, and some recollections from readings.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2016-5-25_23-54-28-png.504536/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>FRENTANI, Larinum</p><p>ca 210-175 BCE</p><p>Æ 18mm - Quadrans.</p><p>Obv: Bearded head of Herakles right, in lion's skin headdress</p><p>Rev: LADINOD, centaur galloping right, holding branch over left shoulder; three pellets in ex.</p><p>Ref: SNG ANS 137; BMC 8; SNG Cop 272</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2016-1-29_16-32-40-png.473192/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>SAMNIUM, Aesernia.</p><p>Circa 263-240 BC.</p><p>Æ (20mm, 7.14 g, 8h).</p><p>Obv: Head of Vulcan left, wearing pilos; tongs to right</p><p>Rev: Jupiter in biga galloping right; above, Nike flying right, crowning horses. Campana 4; HN Italy 430.</p><p>Good Fine, dark green-brown patina.</p><p><i>From the Camerata Romeu Collection</i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 4488617, member: 51347"]Alegandron said: [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/between-a-rock-and-a-hard-place.359690/goto/post?id=4487489#post-4487489']↑[/URL] Wow, nice write-up, @Sulla80RR Anon AE Sextans 211-206 BCE Prob Sicily-Katana mintage Cr 69-6a Sear 1211 An interesting coin that raises another of my key questions about these coins - how local bronzes were minted and used side-by-side with official Roman coins. [URL='http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049']This review[/URL] of Crawford's "Coinage and Money Under the Roman Republic" by Buttrey offers an interesting comment. "During the Second Punic War the Romans struck in Sicily, notably at Catana (where much bronze was produced by overstriking Syracusan). But local bronze continued to be struck as late as the early Empire, somehow to be exchanged against the Roman denarii. Some bronze even imitated Roman types (the Janus-head asses of Panormus) but not the Roman weight system, indicating that local accommodation of incommensurate systems was permitted." [USER=99456]@Sulla80[/USER] , I have several coins from Italia that were Allies, subject to, etc. with Rome. Many fit within the Roman system, several probably did not. There were different weight measures, as well as several minting cities in Italia using 10 Unciae to an As, as opposed to Rome having 12 Unciae to an As. I reckon since many Italians and the Romans use raw Bronze (Aes Rude) as currency. They were all probably pretty used to weighing Bronze to equate transactions. This probably extended to Sicily transactions also. It really wasn’t until the Pyrrhic War (280-275 BCE) and the Second Punic War (218-201 BCE) that Rome moved into their “modern” age of having Silver Coinage and a more standardized Bronze coinage system. Additionally, it was not until after the close of the Second Punic War, that Roman coinage became standard across Italia. Remember, many of the Italian Cities who were Roman Allies, were breaking away from Rome during the Second Punic War. Ultimately, the Social War 90-88 BCE consolidated Italia. [EDIT] - Addendum: One thing that my Roman History Professor impressed in us... the Romans had Contracts, Treaties, and Agreements for everything. Each City, State, Entity that interacted with Rome to become an Ally or other mutual relationship was bound and tied into a Treaty. EACH were written INDEPENDENTLY and none were the same with the various Allies. Codicils within these Treaties/Contracts/Agreements probably drove each of the Allied Cities' rights of coinage, etc. This was the fabric of Roman Italia during the Republic down to the Social War, in which Rome LOST politically, and won Militarily. Just a thought, and some recollections from readings. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2016-5-25_23-54-28-png.504536/[/IMG] FRENTANI, Larinum ca 210-175 BCE Æ 18mm - Quadrans. Obv: Bearded head of Herakles right, in lion's skin headdress Rev: LADINOD, centaur galloping right, holding branch over left shoulder; three pellets in ex. Ref: SNG ANS 137; BMC 8; SNG Cop 272 [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2016-1-29_16-32-40-png.473192/[/IMG] SAMNIUM, Aesernia. Circa 263-240 BC. Æ (20mm, 7.14 g, 8h). Obv: Head of Vulcan left, wearing pilos; tongs to right Rev: Jupiter in biga galloping right; above, Nike flying right, crowning horses. Campana 4; HN Italy 430. Good Fine, dark green-brown patina. [I]From the Camerata Romeu Collection[/I][/QUOTE]
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