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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4488100, member: 99456"]Interesting coins from all of Sicily, Katane, Serapis and the Katanian brothers <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER] do you have a weight or diameter on that nice looking ivy wreathed AR Silenos?</p><p>An interesting coin that raises another of my key questions about these coins - how local bronzes were minted and used side-by-side with official Roman coins. <a href="http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" rel="nofollow">This review</a> of Crawford's "Coinage and Money Under the Roman Republic" by Buttrey offers an interesting comment.</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="4">"During the Second Punic War the Romans struck in Sicily, notably at Catana (where much bronze was produced by overstriking Syracusan). But local bronze continued to be struck as late as the early Empire, somehow to be exchanged against the Roman denarii. Some bronze even imitated Roman types (the Janus-head asses of Panormus) but not the Roman weight system, indicating that local accommodation of incommensurate systems was permitted."</font></p><p><font size="4">- <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/270049" rel="nofollow">Buttrey, T. (1989). <i>Classical Philology,</i> <i>84</i>(1), p70</a></font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>and reminded me of this other Sicilian, relevant and not very pretty coin (or at least badly photographed):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1113798[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Sicily, Uncertain Roman mint </b>(Panormus?), Circa 200-190 BC, Æ As, Manius Acilius, Quaestor.</p><p><b>Obv: </b>Laureate head of bearded Janus; I above</p><p><b>Rev: </b>MN(ligate)/ACILI/Q in three lines within laurel-wreath, star pattern of pellets at top</p><p><b>Size:</b> 5.11g, 20.4mm</p><p>the various weight standards and names used for denominations for Sicilian bronzes is bewildering to me: I think a dekonkion is 10 onkia which is 10/12ths of a litra or 1 chalkous of 4g standard? There also seems to be very wide variability - your coin 17-20mm and 3.31-5.16g in weight and the A/B denomination of my coin 19-24mm and 5.9-13.34 g in Hoover, Coins of Sicily). I wonder if this variability made any difference if you were buying bread, honey or wine...</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a trionkion (3/12 litra?) of Kamarina (<b>Camarina</b>) which unlike Panormos (Palermo) appears on the OP map above. Closer in time to the AR Silenos coins.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1113833[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Sicily, Kamarina,</b> Circa 420-405 BC, AE Tetras or Trionkion</p><p><b>Obv: </b>Helmeted head of Athena left</p><p><b>Rev:</b> Owl standing left, head facing, grasping lizard; ••• (mark of value) in exergue</p><p><b>Size: </b>15.2mm, 2.92g[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4488100, member: 99456"]Interesting coins from all of Sicily, Katane, Serapis and the Katanian brothers :) [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER] do you have a weight or diameter on that nice looking ivy wreathed AR Silenos? An interesting coin that raises another of my key questions about these coins - how local bronzes were minted and used side-by-side with official Roman coins. [URL='http://of Chicago Press Previous Item | Next Item https://www.jstor.org/stable/270049']This review[/URL] of Crawford's "Coinage and Money Under the Roman Republic" by Buttrey offers an interesting comment. [INDENT][SIZE=4]"During the Second Punic War the Romans struck in Sicily, notably at Catana (where much bronze was produced by overstriking Syracusan). But local bronze continued to be struck as late as the early Empire, somehow to be exchanged against the Roman denarii. Some bronze even imitated Roman types (the Janus-head asses of Panormus) but not the Roman weight system, indicating that local accommodation of incommensurate systems was permitted." - [URL='http://www.jstor.org/stable/270049']Buttrey, T. (1989). [I]Classical Philology,[/I] [I]84[/I](1), p70[/URL][/SIZE][/INDENT] and reminded me of this other Sicilian, relevant and not very pretty coin (or at least badly photographed): [ATTACH=full]1113798[/ATTACH] [B]Sicily, Uncertain Roman mint [/B](Panormus?), Circa 200-190 BC, Æ As, Manius Acilius, Quaestor. [B]Obv: [/B]Laureate head of bearded Janus; I above [B]Rev: [/B]MN(ligate)/ACILI/Q in three lines within laurel-wreath, star pattern of pellets at top [B]Size:[/B] 5.11g, 20.4mm the various weight standards and names used for denominations for Sicilian bronzes is bewildering to me: I think a dekonkion is 10 onkia which is 10/12ths of a litra or 1 chalkous of 4g standard? There also seems to be very wide variability - your coin 17-20mm and 3.31-5.16g in weight and the A/B denomination of my coin 19-24mm and 5.9-13.34 g in Hoover, Coins of Sicily). I wonder if this variability made any difference if you were buying bread, honey or wine... Here's a trionkion (3/12 litra?) of Kamarina ([B]Camarina[/B]) which unlike Panormos (Palermo) appears on the OP map above. Closer in time to the AR Silenos coins. [ATTACH=full]1113833[/ATTACH] [B]Sicily, Kamarina,[/B] Circa 420-405 BC, AE Tetras or Trionkion [B]Obv: [/B]Helmeted head of Athena left [B]Rev:[/B] Owl standing left, head facing, grasping lizard; ••• (mark of value) in exergue [B]Size: [/B]15.2mm, 2.92g[/QUOTE]
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