Better than average counterfeit 1914 D Cent

Would love to see pics of your work when done Jim . Sounds like a good experiment . But I'm sure with high enough magnification , one would see where the fake MM and field meet , and some part is bound to be raised a little . Id love to see magnified pics of this coins MM , if Matt could take them .

 

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That'd be a cool experiment! It's hard to believe people are so desparate to create a fake they sit down and do this. I suspect it would take many tries to come up with a bare MM good enough to glue on. I think you'd have to be a freaking watchmaker to pull this off!

 

I have a theory, or rather a question about a theory ... Could someone take a mintmark from a 1921-D Morgan for the purpose of counterfeiting a 1914-D cent. I don't have either of these coins, so I can't compare the relative size of the mintmarks and the obvious problem would be that one coin is copper and one is silver. But when I look at these two mintmarks, I see similarities between the questionable 1914-D and a real 1921-D. Is this possible or am I just really reaching here?



PS - Feel free to give me the dumbest post of week award with this one! :yes:

 

I believe they were all made by the same punch until 1918. So, you 1921 would be a problem, but other coins of that era would work.

 

I think you are on to something. Those 2 mint marks look very similar.

 

Here is a refernce I found showing the 5 1914-D obverses



Made a CAD tracing of all 5 and overlaid each onto the other to make a single CAD Tracings emulating all 5 1914-D obverses



Overlaid this tracing onto OP's coin and none of the mintmark locations match the location of the mintmark on the OP's coin. But then again it has been there may be as many as 10 1914-D obverses

 

I realize the OP is 5 years old, but I agree with post #8. The detail in the hair looks wrong, and I believe it is a fake coin.
Of course it is possible to have an older coin in great condition, but I believe they slightly redesigned the cent in the 90's. And the hair on this coin, looks more like the hair from the redesigned modern cent, than an original 1914 cent.

 

It sure would've gotten by me...looks great.

 

@rlm's cents If a bad guy is going to make a counterfeit(s) 1914 D, I don't think it would be for $100 coin...?? but what I know about Lincolns you could fit on the head of a pin...just my cents worth.

 

If the counterfeit was done many years ago, it MIGHT have been worth it. Or, this could have been a practice coin, with other better condition coins to be worked on as he/she developed skill.
Steve

 

Would it be worthwhile to call or correspond with PCGS to ask what they found wrong with it? How they knew it was spurious? That's what I would do.

 

Here is a cropped image of the date and mint mark from my post above of the composite CAD overlay of the five 1914-D obverses onto the OP's coin.

 

I think this practice by grading companies is due to liability reasons as opposed to Secrete Service issues. Providing an opinion as to the grade of a coin is different than providing an opinion on authenticity.

When providing an opinion as to the grade of a coin – grading companies are rendering this opinion based upon their own established grading standards. Therefore any opinion rendered that deviates from that of another grading company – one can stand on the basis that the grading standards are not the same.

When providing an opinion as to authenticity of a coin – grading companies do not have the luxury of establishing their own standard as to authenticity. Either a coin is real or it is not. Therefore they are limited in providing one of three different opinions.
1. They can render an opinion a coin is real. Such an opinion exposes the grading company to damages incurred by 3rd parties who have relied on the grading company’s opinion when purchasing the coin if that coin is subsequently determined to be fake.

2. They can render an opinion that the coin is fake. Such an opinion exposes the grading company to damages incurred by the party to whom they provided that opinion if the coin is subsequently determined to be real.

3. They can render an opinion that authenticity can not be determined which covers their rear end from exposure of either #1 or #2.

A grading company that takes position #3 would more than likely remain obligated to render an opinion as to the grade of the coin or return the fees paid for the service. Being grading is part of the service being paid for.