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@Jaelus, I will be very interested in the results of your Whitman "walking survey." I have a number of Norwegian coins about to be sent either to NGC or to PCGS. I plan on (hope to) live for another decade or so and want to enjoy them until I either die or sell them. If there is a trend in THIS country as @baseball21 maintains I would like to know for my future benefit or for the benefit of my children.

Steve

 

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Sorry, I'm trying to be sure I understand what you're saying. I think you're saying TPGs overgrade a hammered coin? So a Kunker Vorzüglich gets MS65 by the TPGs. Is that right?

 

I'm still waiting on you to tell me what countries prefer PCGS from your personal experience.

 

Here might be an example of what you are talking about. I absentmindedly bid on this while bidding on other things from the same dealer.

 

Yes indeed. TPG graded hammered/ milled coins are graded as such by UK/ European auction houses.
MS-66/67/68= FDC/ MS
MS-64/65= virtually MS/ fast stempelglanz
MS-63/64= Good EF/ Vorzg.
MS-60/61/62= EF

Ex: Kunker had a MS-65 France 1812-A 20 Francs Napoleon in auction/ they desribed it as an fast st. (AU)

Here is a coin I got from Frankfurter Auctions, by coincidince from Swabisch Halle too: This coin was grade fast stempelglanz (AU) like yours.

 

Here is a true MS Medieval coin.....

 

Beautiful coins. The intricate work on the obverse is incredible; something best appreciated in AU/UNC grades.

I have generally been appreciative of the way the germans grade. Usually, they err on the side of conservative.

 

I got some of the Newman/ Adams collection coins/ both US collectors. Some of the TPG slabs had the original coin (paper) holders. I noted two things, coins that in 2015 sold for 1400-2000US where originally bought back in 50s/60s for $45/ $65 US!!!!! Plus these coins where raw graded EF now became MS-65!
Europe/ UK/ Japan are still using 50s/60s US grading, but the prices are insane
Prices have gone up/ 10X inflation in past 60 years/ except US material, which has remained stagnant over last 15 years.
Here is a MS-66/67 coin that graded AU in Germany.

 

Obviously can't predict the future but for Norway you're very likely better off with NGC since that is what would be better right now. It's a small collector market and short of a big popularity rise it will probably be a long time before the market diversifies but a decade or so from now is hard to say for sure.

There is the trend though especially in this country but it is dependent on the countries in question. Just watch the market especially over time and come to your own conclusions, NGC had a head start as they emphasized world coins many years before PCGS did but that has been changing for several years now

 

I realize you did not ask me, but I gave you an example. Other than NGC and the "prooflike" designation (which appears to remain the holy grail), my observation has been Japan. I watch the auctions there and PCGS does indeed seem to have the edge. PCGS makes it easier as they have started using the JNDA cataloging scheme.

 

Forgive me. I saw and appreciated your response. It is interesting to see the US influence on collecting in other countries.

I'm specifically asked @baseball21 , because this person is the PCGS Don Quixote, fighting "giants" at every corner. I believe Baseball made claims about PCGS popularity in other countries, claiming there are "plenty" with premiums and that they are favored over NGC, without having any actual knowledge/data to support it. I was just trying to confirm/deny whether baseball has any idea at all what the popularity of PCGS is in foreign countries, or if he/she once again made up information to support a narrative. I doubt baseball will respond, but I'm hoping that he/she will stop using emotional arguments and taking the fun out of discussions.

Thank you for chiming in and teaching me something.