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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 6810385, member: 10461"]<font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><b>Belgium (Liège): silver Ernestus of Ernest of Bavaria, 1582</b></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272235[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><a href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640151" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640151" rel="nofollow">PCGS Genuine</a> - VF Details (code 97-"Environmental Damage"), cert. #39640151. </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">Ex-Jean Elsen & ses Fils Auction 142, <a href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3340&lot=938" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3340&lot=938" rel="nofollow">Lot 938</a> (part of), 14 September 2019.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">Silver (or perhaps <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon_(alloy)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon_(alloy)" rel="nofollow">billon</a>), 30.3 mm, 4.18 g.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">I cannot find an exact match for the type on Numista and the coin is too early for coverage in Krause-Mishler, but I did see some similar types listed on <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1223483" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1223483" rel="nofollow">ACSearch</a>.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">This coin's type gets its name from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_of_Bavaria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_of_Bavaria" rel="nofollow">Ernest of Bavaria</a> (b. 1554, d. 1612), who was the prince-elector-archbishop of the Archbishopric of Cologne and also the bishop of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Li%C3%A8ge" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Li%C3%A8ge" rel="nofollow">Liège</a> in the Low Countries (now modern Belgium). As is sometimes the case with these 16th-century types, they only put the last two digits of the date on the coin. In this case, it is the 8-2, for (15)82, on flanking sides of the coat of arms.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">It is a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammered_coinage" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammered_coinage" rel="nofollow">hammered</a> silver or or more likely base-silver (billon) coin the size of a United States half dollar, which makes it rather large as hammered coins go. </font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">PCGS gave it a VF-details grade, noting "environmental damage". I expect this has something to do with the very faint greenish tinge seen in places around the edges, which I have noticed on other coins of this period that came from buried hoards. I suppose this was a byproduct of the copper in the alloy reacting to the environment over time. At least it is not PVC contamination, or PCGS would not have encapsulated the coin. They instead ruled it "environmental"- and therefore from natural causes.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">I really don't find that part distracting. The rest of the coin has contrasting dark grey- nearly black- toning which I personally found quite attractive, since it sets off the design nicely.</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272235[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272236[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272237[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272238[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272239[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272240[/ATTACH]</font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5"><br /></font></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><font size="5">[ATTACH=full]1272241[/ATTACH] </font></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 6810385, member: 10461"][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=5][B]Belgium (Liège): silver Ernestus of Ernest of Bavaria, 1582[/B] [ATTACH=full]1272235[/ATTACH] [URL='https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39640151']PCGS Genuine[/URL] - VF Details (code 97-"Environmental Damage"), cert. #39640151. Ex-Jean Elsen & ses Fils Auction 142, [URL='https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=3340&lot=938']Lot 938[/URL] (part of), 14 September 2019. Silver (or perhaps [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon_(alloy)']billon[/URL]), 30.3 mm, 4.18 g. I cannot find an exact match for the type on Numista and the coin is too early for coverage in Krause-Mishler, but I did see some similar types listed on [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?similar=1223483']ACSearch[/URL]. This coin's type gets its name from [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_of_Bavaria']Ernest of Bavaria[/URL] (b. 1554, d. 1612), who was the prince-elector-archbishop of the Archbishopric of Cologne and also the bishop of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Li%C3%A8ge']Liège[/URL] in the Low Countries (now modern Belgium). As is sometimes the case with these 16th-century types, they only put the last two digits of the date on the coin. In this case, it is the 8-2, for (15)82, on flanking sides of the coat of arms. It is a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammered_coinage']hammered[/URL] silver or or more likely base-silver (billon) coin the size of a United States half dollar, which makes it rather large as hammered coins go. PCGS gave it a VF-details grade, noting "environmental damage". I expect this has something to do with the very faint greenish tinge seen in places around the edges, which I have noticed on other coins of this period that came from buried hoards. I suppose this was a byproduct of the copper in the alloy reacting to the environment over time. At least it is not PVC contamination, or PCGS would not have encapsulated the coin. They instead ruled it "environmental"- and therefore from natural causes. I really don't find that part distracting. The rest of the coin has contrasting dark grey- nearly black- toning which I personally found quite attractive, since it sets off the design nicely. [ATTACH=full]1272235[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272236[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272237[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272238[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272239[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272240[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1272241[/ATTACH] [/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
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