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Message:: [QUOTE="KBBPLL, post: 26516174, member: 104064"]I think it's simpler to assume that the master design hub from 1883-1908 created a master die for 1909 that was then punched with the date, then two dated hubs were created, then one of those was re-engraved with the "regular B" (along with minuscule changes to other letters). Your scenario is plausible, but that means the master die was created for 1909, a hub was pressed before they punched the date, then they punched the date, then made a 1909 dated hub. I guess it's possible that they weren't sure whether they were going to continue punching dates into working dies so they made a dateless hub to hedge about that. It was the transition year for nickels to have identical date positions. Perhaps someone could find artifacts in the date indicating whether one was pressed twice and another wasn't? Too much for my eyes. Too much for my brain! What I said above doesn't make sense either. If Barber re-engraved Liberty on a hub created from the 1908 design, the beer belly B is already incuse on that hub. He can't add metal to the hub to erase that part of the B. I keep going around in circles with this. [USER=3926]@justafarmer[/USER] then it wasn't design hub doubling, we're back to the damaged master die theory.[/QUOTE]