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<p>[QUOTE="KBBPLL, post: 26513478, member: 104064"]I couldn't remember who came up with that, I know we bantered back and forth calling it different things. I guess I figured Beer Belly B might be more relatable with the numismatic demographic. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> no offense.</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=1765]@messydesk[/USER] I can understand the idea that the broken beer belly B is the result of design hub doubling. If it is, it's probably the strangest scenario of all the Barber anomalies. The implication is that there was a usual 1883-1908 BBB hub (with undamaged B?), and a hub that Barber re-engraved with the "regular B." Then a working proof die was hubbed to both of these, resulting in the broken B. I can accept that explanation. What I find very odd though, is that the BBB hub was not used to produce any working dies with an undamaged B (no undamaged BBB coins have been found for 1909), and all of the other 1909 working dies came from the "regular B" hub. And then that regular B hub was never used again. Very strange.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is clear, at least to me, that with other denominations they had two master hubs hanging around, one with the old design and one new, mostly for the reverses. They transitioned to the new hub, sometimes over many years, and then never used the old design again. We see this in 1901 and 1902 nickel reverses with 2 types, 1899 and 1900-S dimes with Rev1 and Rev2, 1901 dimes using both Rev2 and Rev3 at all three mints, then dimes with both Rev2 and Rev3 for just S mint until 1905, 1900 quarters using 3 different obverse hubs and 2 reverse hubs then exclusively Obv3 and Rev3 from 1901 on, and half dollars using 2 obverse and 2 reverse hubs in 1901, then P mint exclusively Obv2/Rev2 from 1902 on, but S and O continuing to use Rev1 into 1905. Tack on Obv2/Rev2 half dollars for 1900-O coined in late December, and a 1901-O dime still using Obv1. In all of these scenarios, it maybe took a while but Barber always transitioned to the new design. And it seems they had a propensity for using the old one for only the branch mints, which seems odd. Keep in mind that they were not stockpiling dies from one year to the next, although it's possible that the "reserved for future use" reverse dies returned to Philly at the end of a year could have been shipped back out again.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what was the point of redoing Liberty in 1909 and then never using it again? We can only speculate I guess.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="KBBPLL, post: 26513478, member: 104064"]I couldn't remember who came up with that, I know we bantered back and forth calling it different things. I guess I figured Beer Belly B might be more relatable with the numismatic demographic. :) no offense. [USER=1765]@messydesk[/USER] I can understand the idea that the broken beer belly B is the result of design hub doubling. If it is, it's probably the strangest scenario of all the Barber anomalies. The implication is that there was a usual 1883-1908 BBB hub (with undamaged B?), and a hub that Barber re-engraved with the "regular B." Then a working proof die was hubbed to both of these, resulting in the broken B. I can accept that explanation. What I find very odd though, is that the BBB hub was not used to produce any working dies with an undamaged B (no undamaged BBB coins have been found for 1909), and all of the other 1909 working dies came from the "regular B" hub. And then that regular B hub was never used again. Very strange. It is clear, at least to me, that with other denominations they had two master hubs hanging around, one with the old design and one new, mostly for the reverses. They transitioned to the new hub, sometimes over many years, and then never used the old design again. We see this in 1901 and 1902 nickel reverses with 2 types, 1899 and 1900-S dimes with Rev1 and Rev2, 1901 dimes using both Rev2 and Rev3 at all three mints, then dimes with both Rev2 and Rev3 for just S mint until 1905, 1900 quarters using 3 different obverse hubs and 2 reverse hubs then exclusively Obv3 and Rev3 from 1901 on, and half dollars using 2 obverse and 2 reverse hubs in 1901, then P mint exclusively Obv2/Rev2 from 1902 on, but S and O continuing to use Rev1 into 1905. Tack on Obv2/Rev2 half dollars for 1900-O coined in late December, and a 1901-O dime still using Obv1. In all of these scenarios, it maybe took a while but Barber always transitioned to the new design. And it seems they had a propensity for using the old one for only the branch mints, which seems odd. Keep in mind that they were not stockpiling dies from one year to the next, although it's possible that the "reserved for future use" reverse dies returned to Philly at the end of a year could have been shipped back out again. So what was the point of redoing Liberty in 1909 and then never using it again? We can only speculate I guess.[/QUOTE]
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