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<p>[QUOTE="Roerbakmix, post: 7961050, member: 100731"]This may be far fetched, as I know little to nothing about Barbarian imitations. However, when I saw this AE offered, I was captivated by the portrait. I bought it for the mere sum of €11 including shipping, and yesterday it arrived:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380051[/ATTACH]</p><p>Barbarian imitation AE 16. Obv: portrait to right, legend "IIIIIIIIIIIIII" (might have missed an I here). Rev: two figures standing around a globe, legend "IIIIIIII"; IVI in exergue. 2.31 g, 16.0 mm. Some corrosion on obverse, mainly reverse. Faint scratches beneath patina.</p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse caught my eye. It's strikingly similar to e.g. the PADA trymsa's (minted around 665-675 in current England):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380056[/ATTACH]</p><p>CNG triton XXIII lot 1184 (not my coin)</p><p><br /></p><p>or the CRIPSUS type:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380052[/ATTACH]</p><p>CNG triton XXIII lot 1268 (not mine)</p><p><br /></p><p>Note the dotted line marking the helmet, and the dotted collar. These thrymsa's are not very abstract: the Barbarian coin appears a bit more abstracted than the later Anglo-Saxon coins. Later on, in the primary phase (c. 680-710 AD), sceatta's became a bit more abstract, e.g. this Series A sceatta:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380058[/ATTACH]</p><p>CNG E464 lot 285 (not mine)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380055[/ATTACH]</p><p>(my collection)</p><p><br /></p><p>Note the more abstract collar (dotted line between two lines).</p><p> </p><p>or this more abstract (left facing) continental sceatta (series D bmc 2c):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380053[/ATTACH]</p><p>(my collection). Note the dotted collar and helmet.</p><p><br /></p><p>The same for the series C sceatta from the secondary phase (c. 710-750):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1380054[/ATTACH]</p><p>(my collection). Again, note the dotted collar. The neck has been replaced by dotted lines as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway. It may be totally farfetched, but the similarities in design were interesting. I would kindly ask members such as [USER=84905]@Tejas[/USER], [USER=97383]@Al Kowsky[/USER], [USER=56653]@seth77[/USER] (who are way more knowledgeable on LRB than I am), and [USER=73099]@Nap[/USER] [USER=109923]@John Conduitt[/USER] (the only two other collectors of sceatta's) to say that for sceatta's everything is possible and nothing is provable <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roerbakmix, post: 7961050, member: 100731"]This may be far fetched, as I know little to nothing about Barbarian imitations. However, when I saw this AE offered, I was captivated by the portrait. I bought it for the mere sum of €11 including shipping, and yesterday it arrived: [ATTACH=full]1380051[/ATTACH] Barbarian imitation AE 16. Obv: portrait to right, legend "IIIIIIIIIIIIII" (might have missed an I here). Rev: two figures standing around a globe, legend "IIIIIIII"; IVI in exergue. 2.31 g, 16.0 mm. Some corrosion on obverse, mainly reverse. Faint scratches beneath patina. The obverse caught my eye. It's strikingly similar to e.g. the PADA trymsa's (minted around 665-675 in current England): [ATTACH=full]1380056[/ATTACH] CNG triton XXIII lot 1184 (not my coin) or the CRIPSUS type: [ATTACH=full]1380052[/ATTACH] CNG triton XXIII lot 1268 (not mine) Note the dotted line marking the helmet, and the dotted collar. These thrymsa's are not very abstract: the Barbarian coin appears a bit more abstracted than the later Anglo-Saxon coins. Later on, in the primary phase (c. 680-710 AD), sceatta's became a bit more abstract, e.g. this Series A sceatta: [ATTACH=full]1380058[/ATTACH] CNG E464 lot 285 (not mine) [ATTACH=full]1380055[/ATTACH] (my collection) Note the more abstract collar (dotted line between two lines). or this more abstract (left facing) continental sceatta (series D bmc 2c): [ATTACH=full]1380053[/ATTACH] (my collection). Note the dotted collar and helmet. The same for the series C sceatta from the secondary phase (c. 710-750): [ATTACH=full]1380054[/ATTACH] (my collection). Again, note the dotted collar. The neck has been replaced by dotted lines as well. Anyway. It may be totally farfetched, but the similarities in design were interesting. I would kindly ask members such as [USER=84905]@Tejas[/USER], [USER=97383]@Al Kowsky[/USER], [USER=56653]@seth77[/USER] (who are way more knowledgeable on LRB than I am), and [USER=73099]@Nap[/USER] [USER=109923]@John Conduitt[/USER] (the only two other collectors of sceatta's) to say that for sceatta's everything is possible and nothing is provable :)[/QUOTE]
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