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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 3590092, member: 26302&quot;]Well, the discussion I was hoping to start was: At what point is a tooled coin not really a coin anymore? Problem with tooling can be seen on this coin. We KNOW that is not her nose, (as a big nosed person, I am appalled at that pointy thing). So, if we KNOW some features are fake, which others on this coin are completely fake? At what point does it become pointless to even consider it a valid coin?</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not a snob when it comes to such things. Smoothing I consider mainly fine, (just the act of cleaning ancients &quot;smooths&quot; them to an extent). I do not believe having someone fill in a hole in a coin to be sacrilege as long as it is disclosed. However, there has to be a line, and I suppose this coin crossed it for me, (otherwise I would not have posted it, I love the firm selling it and know a couple of employees there). Just where IS the line where we believe dealers should no longer sell a coin as an &quot;ancient coin&quot;? Does anyone have any opinions?</p><p><br /></p><p>If I had to articulate my opinion, (its hard), I guess I would say any tooling other than minor strengthening of outlines of design element is unacceptable. The gross outline of her bust on this coin, (if it were done properly and not a Bob Hope nose), does not bother me as much as touching inside of the bust, adding details that was never there, as well as changing the outline of the bust. Once details are added, or the outline of the profile altered, I guess I would judge it a modern fantasy piece that may or may not have originally been an ancient coin. To me, the coin I posted, if I got it in a group lot, would go into my black box of fakes and forgeries.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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