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<p>[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4401398, member: 77639"]Many of us are old enough to remember when $1 silver certificates were a common type of dollar bill ... as opposed to federal reserve notes, which are the only bills printed today. Back in the day, these could actually be exchanged for silver coins. I did it more than once. So would it be possible to return to those halcyon days of yesteryear if only our lazy, spineless, spendthrift politicians would gird their loins and stir themselves to responsible action?</p><p><br /></p><p>Short answer: No way, unless the denominations far exceed their silver melt value.</p><p><br /></p><p>The days when monetary systems of nations could be based on a commodity (silver in this case) are gone and can't come back short of an apocalypse ... worse than covid-19. There's not enough silver to do it. About 30% of transactions in the US are still cash. Cash may eventually become irrelevant, but not for a while. The M1 money supply is about $4 trillion (disregarding the recent covid-19-related spike). At the current silver price of $15/oz, it would require 267 billion oz to back it up. There is 3-4 billion oz in silver bullion in the world. There's actually less silver bullion around than gold bullion. There's more silver in jewelry, tableware, and industrial applications (especially electronics) than in bullion. Some of the latter could be shifted to bullion and coins, but not much. The amount of silver in the world that is known to be in minable ores is about 16.3 billion oz (560 kilotons). The US cash economy alone is way bigger than what could be backed with all the silver in the world. Population and economic growth have left silver in the dust ... it's an economic pipsqueak in the world economy. It's essential industrially but not at all as a medium of exchange or for backing currency.</p><p><br /></p><p>It can be argued that if the US Treasury started buying large amounts of silver, the price would rise. This is no doubt true. And at an increased price, the mass of silver required to back the dollar would be less. How much is hard to say. But even if silver reached its record price of $49 per oz, there would still not enough to back M1. The source of money to buy the silver has to be considered. Basically, it would have to come from revenue or borrowing. The US Treasury could not just issue silver certificates to buy it. Doing so would increase M1, and the existing M1 would still not be backed by silver. There's no easy way around it ... the moolah for silver would have to be from increased taxes or borrowing. Finally, a greatly increased price of silver could be ruinous for commercial and industrial users of the metal. Greatest impact would be in the electronics industry, but others like the jewelry industry would be hit hard.</p><p><br /></p><p>It can also be argued that it is not necessary to back all of M1 with silver. Only enough needs to be backed so that the treasury doesn't run out when folks start exchanging their bills or checking accounts for silvery metal. How much is enough? Hard to say, but it would need to be a substantial percentage. If folks know there is a very limited amount compared to the cash that's out there, they'll want to get theirs while the getting's good. And there is not enough silver available to have more than a limited amount. So the system would collapse before it could really get underway.</p><p><br /></p><p>If it were even possible to base the US dollar on silver again, it's value would be very much at the mercy of the major silver-producing nations. The US ranks only ninth in silver production and produces only 3% of the world's silver. A dollar based on silver could be manipulated easily by the major silver-producing nations ... Mexico, Peru, China and Russia. Could the US step-up silver production? Yes, a bit, but not much. The US is fifth in silver ore reserves with only 4.5% of world reserves. Any step-up in US production would still leave it far behind the biggest producers at their current level of production.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, sadly, a return to "hard" money in the form of silver would not be possible even if politicians were willing. Of course, coins could be made with a tiny bit of silver with a melt value much lower than the denominations of the coins. But what would be the point? It wouldn't drive up the cost of making one coin much, but could cost tens of millions annually for coins in aggregate. But there wouldn't be much silver value in the coins most individuals might possess at one time. Would a dollar coin with a penny's worth of silver really be that much more satisfying to own than one with no silver? Would it persuade folks to use dollar coins in place of bills?</p><p><br /></p><p>So how about gold? Similar arguments apply. Perhaps I'll do another post on gold.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bimetallism? Won't work. It was tried unsuccessfully in the US in the 19th century and other countries before that. It's impossible to control the value ratio of the two metals. The constantly changing ratio plays havoc with a monetary system based on bimetallism.</p><p><br /></p><p>Enjoy your old silver coins and newer silver bullion and commemorative coins ... I do, but forget the metal for buying groceries or paying the mortgage.</p><p><br /></p><p>Cal</p><p><br /></p><p>References:</p><p><br /></p><p>silver reserves, 2018 data: investingnews.com, 3 Jun 2019; their cited source is USGS.</p><p><br /></p><p>silver production, 2017 data: wikipedia.com 30 Nov 2018; their cited source is USGS.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4401398, member: 77639"]Many of us are old enough to remember when $1 silver certificates were a common type of dollar bill ... as opposed to federal reserve notes, which are the only bills printed today. Back in the day, these could actually be exchanged for silver coins. I did it more than once. So would it be possible to return to those halcyon days of yesteryear if only our lazy, spineless, spendthrift politicians would gird their loins and stir themselves to responsible action? Short answer: No way, unless the denominations far exceed their silver melt value. The days when monetary systems of nations could be based on a commodity (silver in this case) are gone and can't come back short of an apocalypse ... worse than covid-19. There's not enough silver to do it. About 30% of transactions in the US are still cash. Cash may eventually become irrelevant, but not for a while. The M1 money supply is about $4 trillion (disregarding the recent covid-19-related spike). At the current silver price of $15/oz, it would require 267 billion oz to back it up. There is 3-4 billion oz in silver bullion in the world. There's actually less silver bullion around than gold bullion. There's more silver in jewelry, tableware, and industrial applications (especially electronics) than in bullion. Some of the latter could be shifted to bullion and coins, but not much. The amount of silver in the world that is known to be in minable ores is about 16.3 billion oz (560 kilotons). The US cash economy alone is way bigger than what could be backed with all the silver in the world. Population and economic growth have left silver in the dust ... it's an economic pipsqueak in the world economy. It's essential industrially but not at all as a medium of exchange or for backing currency. It can be argued that if the US Treasury started buying large amounts of silver, the price would rise. This is no doubt true. And at an increased price, the mass of silver required to back the dollar would be less. How much is hard to say. But even if silver reached its record price of $49 per oz, there would still not enough to back M1. The source of money to buy the silver has to be considered. Basically, it would have to come from revenue or borrowing. The US Treasury could not just issue silver certificates to buy it. Doing so would increase M1, and the existing M1 would still not be backed by silver. There's no easy way around it ... the moolah for silver would have to be from increased taxes or borrowing. Finally, a greatly increased price of silver could be ruinous for commercial and industrial users of the metal. Greatest impact would be in the electronics industry, but others like the jewelry industry would be hit hard. It can also be argued that it is not necessary to back all of M1 with silver. Only enough needs to be backed so that the treasury doesn't run out when folks start exchanging their bills or checking accounts for silvery metal. How much is enough? Hard to say, but it would need to be a substantial percentage. If folks know there is a very limited amount compared to the cash that's out there, they'll want to get theirs while the getting's good. And there is not enough silver available to have more than a limited amount. So the system would collapse before it could really get underway. If it were even possible to base the US dollar on silver again, it's value would be very much at the mercy of the major silver-producing nations. The US ranks only ninth in silver production and produces only 3% of the world's silver. A dollar based on silver could be manipulated easily by the major silver-producing nations ... Mexico, Peru, China and Russia. Could the US step-up silver production? Yes, a bit, but not much. The US is fifth in silver ore reserves with only 4.5% of world reserves. Any step-up in US production would still leave it far behind the biggest producers at their current level of production. So, sadly, a return to "hard" money in the form of silver would not be possible even if politicians were willing. Of course, coins could be made with a tiny bit of silver with a melt value much lower than the denominations of the coins. But what would be the point? It wouldn't drive up the cost of making one coin much, but could cost tens of millions annually for coins in aggregate. But there wouldn't be much silver value in the coins most individuals might possess at one time. Would a dollar coin with a penny's worth of silver really be that much more satisfying to own than one with no silver? Would it persuade folks to use dollar coins in place of bills? So how about gold? Similar arguments apply. Perhaps I'll do another post on gold. Bimetallism? Won't work. It was tried unsuccessfully in the US in the 19th century and other countries before that. It's impossible to control the value ratio of the two metals. The constantly changing ratio plays havoc with a monetary system based on bimetallism. Enjoy your old silver coins and newer silver bullion and commemorative coins ... I do, but forget the metal for buying groceries or paying the mortgage. Cal References: silver reserves, 2018 data: investingnews.com, 3 Jun 2019; their cited source is USGS. silver production, 2017 data: wikipedia.com 30 Nov 2018; their cited source is USGS.[/QUOTE]
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