I have been a member of this forum now for almost a year. I have seen my fair share of carr threads that are pages long. I look at it like this. @Cascade posted the coins to show the wonderful ghosting and to show off his new coins. If you don't like a coin or maker, just don't post. The opposite side of whoever posts a carr thread always entices both sides into a fight about carr often ensuing a 20+ page thread and getting it locked down and maybe several warnings by mods. Why is carr so special for deserving such treatment? Why don't we have 20 page threads over fighting on Barber coins or morgan dollars etc. from the people who don't like them. When we learn if we do not like something we do not have to post. @Cascade did not pose any question on the legality of carrs work in this thread. He posted for the simple reason of showing off new purchases. Just my view on things. Sent from my ZTE B2017G using Tapatalk
I disagree with the premise that only those in favor of a subject should post on a thread. Disagreement and alternative perspectives create discussion and (sometimes) invokes critical thinking. There are plenty of people who have criticized Barbers and other coins, myself included. The difference here is that neither side seems to respect the other's opinions. At least people can objectively say Barbers are neat or brining and there's no significant uproar. Here, those who support Carr do so as vehemently as a liberal defends their candidate and the alternative opinion is as vehement as the conservative. But you're comparing apples to oranges since Barbers were created by the US Mint. Carr's ehhh... not legal tender... designs deface legal tender and are sold for a profit. They also are strikingly similar (pun intended) to an actual US Minted coin that it confuses inexperienced collectors. Both sides have legitimate concerns. If we just spent a little more time thinking critically and attempting to look at things from their views versus spending our efforts yelling and insulting, this thread would already be dead. Which I consider it long to be.
I could care less about the tokens. And I've never met Carr or even know what he looks like. But I have a strong belief that he should sign all his work since he copied someone else's design, and as a means of protecting the hobby. I will continue to ask DC to do that, and post my reasons whenever I feel so moved.
I see you're back. Wait... which side is it that incites? Which side is childish? Oh, right... carry on.
The difference is one side doesn't think their opinion is actually an opinion, they think its a proven fact despite his work being out in the open for years and years and the ANA dismissing a claim/ANACS grading them/and the government never so much as bringing charges.
I'm not sure who is the "we" that you refer to. But there have been belittling comments such as calling collectors of my work "fanboys", "shills", "trolls", etc.
Just as there was between you and RWB, there has been no shortage of petulant behavior from both sides. But largely, in any case, those names were not used because they collect your work, but because of the way they present themselves and behave on these threads.
I don't view them as art, I for one think the morgan design is quite boring. As I've stated and agreed with CBD on this, if @dcarr signed his bullion or morgan fantasy coins (I think he does that for some) it will help things out greatly. A little on, like a small DC in the corner or something. It's not exonumia if it's being sold as the real thing, and another factor is the metal contents in the coin.
Look @Coinlover67! Two CT members viewed as being on opposing sides actually agree on something. So maybe posting our differing opinions is beneficial afterall, and avoiding each other like the plague isn't in everyone's best interest.
Those comments are due to the nature of comments posted by a very, very small subsect of collectors of your works (maybe two to three posters) total. No one said that merely collecting your work made someone any of those things.
Yes but unlike the printer manufacturers you refuse to put that 'code' required by law onto your pieces.
I agree, but in the case of the Carr threads, it always gets out of hand. @Cascade posted this thread to show off his new pieces, not get the whole Carr fight started. We should respect that this is not a fight thread and show it respect. If someone starts a thread for the purpose of discussing the legality of Carr's work or other aspect of it, let both sides post as that is the thread where it is supposed to be, not a show-off thread. I agree, but like I said above there is a time and place for that. Overall, I am not saying only one side can post, just know when the appropriate time for arguments to start.
I'll oblige but I'm pretty sure no one except those of us who've already read it are going to read it. And to not forget the important part, since it's been claimed the 'fantasy' date absolves of needing that copy mark And since everyone loves to then go to the intent angle. We can see the court addressed that too in the HPA. We could go even further and take a look at the actual text of the updated HPA that many Carr supporters have parroted 'resolves the matter once and for all'. And well it does, but it resolves it using the exact same argument; that the coins must be marked that us so called 'attackers' have been saying the entire time down to referencing the very FTC GBI case as precedent. https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/do...ces/2016/10/frn_hobby_final_rule_10-14-16.pdf How anyone can read the updated HPA text below and somehow then think his items don't need to be marked according to the law is beyond me. They literally directly address not only Carr's pieces, but his own comments regarding the matter. Before simply going on and referencing the preceding case law that determines the items must be marked. It's all there in black and white, heck I even encased it in a yellow box to make it easier to see.
Let's have them post their DC tokens in the Post Your Exonumia Thread from now on then? Then Coin Chat wouldn't be clogged with DC threads.
Here's a modest suggestion. Coin Talk has a jillion "Post Your...." threads for almost every imaginable coin. Why not start a "Post Your Daniel Carrs" where collectors can show off their holdings without all the back and forth? There, of course, will be separate threads to discuss the obvious issues surrounding Carr's pieces. How say the group? And if the moderators want to comment, have at it, please. I'm not trying to stifle discussion of the issues at hand. But I hate to see some of you guys throwing rocks at each other.
Yet you have no problems with direct accusations of "ignorance", labeling those who feel differently as "haters", or the sheer amount of nonsense coming from your fans when it benefits you. Funny how that works, isn't it?
Respectfully, I disagree and cite your response as evidence that what I mentioned about BOTH sides is in fact true.
