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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 25392977, member: 26302&quot;]To me there are two &quot;paths&quot; of relatively good fake ancients.</p><p><br /></p><p>The traditional path is going through all of the work of making a good copy of the dies, finding appropriate flans, then erasing any evidence of modern manufacture.</p><p><br /></p><p>For rare coins, your profit per coin is high <b>BUT </b>rare is rare. You cannot make many copies at all because it is a rare coin and the number of die examples on the market will be noticed. For cheap coins, your profit is much lower but still a fairly high profit <b>IF </b>you make enough copies. But, since they are cheap and much more common not nearly as many people are looking at die matches, since many die matches are to be expected for common coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, to me an example P&amp;L for the rare and common fakes would be, (made up numbers):</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rare Coin&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Common Coin</p><p>Cost of die creation&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $1000&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $1000</p><p>Variable coin cost&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 50&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1</p><p>Number Struck&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500</p><p>Price&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10</p><p><br /></p><p>Total Profit&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; $3500&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; $3500</p><p><br /></p><p>So you see they can be similarly profitable. The &quot;tell&quot; will be the abnormally large amount of die matches hitting the market and if anyone notices. This is how the Black Sea Hoard was determined to be all Bugarian fakes, way too many die matches even though the coins were relatively cheap.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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