Authentic or cast Allectus ant

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  1. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    I recently purchased this nice antoninianus of Allectus from a uk seller , it seemed ok to me but some one has cast doubt on it so just looking for opinions. I think it’s just roughness in the fields due to being found ?
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    23mm 4.4g
    Came with old envelope too
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    thanks in advance for any advice received!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I'm no expert, but it looks good to me.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & avid numismatist Moderator

    Ditto on both counts.
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    HA!
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    @Tony1982 , I am not an expert, nor purport that I can give a judgement.

    Personally, If I saw it as an offering, I would buy it. However, I would have to feel comfortable with the SELLER, price (is it too LOW), etc.

    Here is my version of yours (consider MY roughness of fields!):

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    RI Allectus 293-296 CE 4.38g London radiate cuirassed AE Ant PAX RIC 28
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & avid numismatist Moderator

    When it comes to Allectus (I've never had one), I only have eyes for the ones with the galley reverse, for some reason.
     
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  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  9. John Conduitt

    John Conduitt Well-Known Member

    Me too. It makes a change from all the standing figures London produced. But anything Allectus is quite expensive (which is why mine is somewhat imperfect!).

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    Allectus, bronze quinarius, 293-296, London. 20mm, 2.9g. IMP C ALLECTVS P F AVG. VIRTVS AVG, QL (RIC 55 London).
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    ROW, ROW, ROW YOUR BOAT

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    RI
    Allectus 293-296
    AE Quinarius
    London mint
    Virtus Galley
    AE17 2.3g
    Sear 13870 RIC 55
     
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  11. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone, I like the galley ones myself but I was really after just a decent portrait for the price. He’s an interesting emperor from the period , just need a decent carausius now to complete the set !
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Good luck finding a Carausius! Fun to have the sets.

    One of mine:

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    RI Carausius usurper in Britain CE 287–293 BI Ant 4.7g 24mm London radiate cuirassed - PAX AVG Pax stndg l branch scepter S—P RIC V 475

    or an ratty version of mine...

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  13. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Gosh, that's a lovely specimen.
     
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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice find. I too believe it to be authentic.
     
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  16. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    I don't think there's anything wrong with the OP coin either. If that's wrong because it's a bit pitted and rough, there can't be too many genuine coins found.

    For those who like the Allectus galley reverse, this is mine. I paid a couple hundred dollars for mine 6 years ago, which doesn't seem particularly expensive. Ok, it is a bit off-centre, but the consequential detail loss is minimal.
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  17. Tony1982

    Tony1982 Well-Known Member

    Some lovely coins of carausius and Allectus here , I really like the ship design. They do seem hard to acquire in good grades , mostly due to being found in the uk by detectors.
    It’s definitely reassured me about the authenticity of mine though , it helps having a few more opinions when your in doubt !
     
  18. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    I couldn't find an Allectus fitting both my taste and budget at the same time ...

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    Allectus, Antoninianus - Camulodunum mint
    IMP C ALLECTVS PF I AVG, Radiate and draped bust of Allectus right
    LAETIT AVG, Laetitia standing left. SP in field, C at exergue
    3,84 gr
    Ref : RC #3591 v, Cohen #13

    .... but Carausius is a different animal (lucky me that time)

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    Carausius, Antoninianus - Colchester mint ?
    IMP CARAVSIVS P F AVG, radiate bust right
    MONITA (sic) AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales and cornucopia
    3,64 gr
    Ref : RCV # 13629v, Cohen # 178 var, RIC, cf #867

    Q
     
  19. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

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    Carausius, Antoninianus, RIC V (2), No. 475:

    Obverse depiction: draped, radiate, bust facing right
    Inscription: IMP C CARAVSIVS PF AVG

    Reverse depiction: Pax standing left, holding olive branch
    Inscription: PA - X - AVG | S .....P

    London Mint.
    3.9 gm.


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    Allectus, Antoninianus, RIC V (2), No. 33:

    Obverse depiction: cuirassed, radiate bust facing right
    Inscription: IMP C ALLECTVS P F AVG

    Reverse depiction: Pax standing left, holding olive branch
    Inscription: PA - X - AVG ..... S - A, M L in reverse exergue.

    London mint
    3.7gm.
     
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  20. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

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    Allectus, Quinarius, RIC V (2), No. 55

    Obverse depiction: Allectus bust, radiate, cuirassed, facing right.
    Inscription: IMP C ALLECTVS PF AVG

    Reverse depiction: Galley with ten oarsmen
    InScription: VIRTVS AVG (around Galley) - QL in exergue

    London Mint
    2.8 gm

    @Tony1982: I believe your coin is genuine - very nice.
     
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  21. Silverlock

    Silverlock Well-Known Member

    It doesn’t appear to be a die match to a known Allectus fake as far as I can tell. The only thing I see from the photos is it looks a little tooled or harshly cleaned on the reverse under the Λ. Why do you think it might be suspect?
     
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