Authentic 1914 D wheat or no?

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  1. Daulton

    Daulton Active Member

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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not even close to genuine. The “D” is punched on, after the fact.
    Note the style, position, and consistency of the date and mint mark on a real, certified PCGS MS 66 1914 D.

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  4. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Are we voting?
    I don't like the look of the puffy date/mm or mm position.
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  5. Dimedude2

    Dimedude2 Member

    No way, and there’s no green oxidation!
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  6. Daulton

    Daulton Active Member

    Thanks guys! I agree exactly what I was thinking, d looks insanely funky!
  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yeah, pass on that one.
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  8. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I'll pass as well. Deal more cards please. :hilarious:
    ( a little late night dry humor).
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The date and mint mark are too strong for the rest of the coin. They look like they were conveniently “dropped in” to make a key date piece. I vote counterfeit.
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  10. robec

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  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Are these the only ones, just five obverse dies? Do we know? That would average to 238,600 per die, given the mintage, that's why I'm wondering.
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  12. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I read there were 6 obverse dies and 7 reverse dies. I’ve had this pic of the group of 5 for awhile. I thought I had a pic of the 6 but can’t find it.
  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Thank you. Do you happen to know whether 6 dies for 1,193,000 coins seems right? I've no clue. I'm just wondering, again. I'm sort of a wonderer. :)
  14. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I found these on
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  15. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Great question. I only know from what I’ve read. All have said 5 or 6. Here is a link from a CT thread, started in 2009 and updated with map overlays of the 6 known dies in 2019.
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  16. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I just found this post from a 5 year old thread on the PCGS forum. It’s a photo from the Denver mint on die usage for the 1914 Lincoln. It shows 6 obverse and 7 reverse dies used.

  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Awesome, thank you very much! I see the 1,205,284 total and the per-die averages all around 200,000 more or less which correlates with what one would project from the 6 dies striking that many coins. Just awesome you were able to dig this page up. BTW, is that "Roger," a.k.a., RWB? Now I warned you I'm a wonderer.
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  18. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I’m almost positive that’s the same Roger.

    i’m glad you wondered…… made me do a little investigating.
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  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    To wrap this up, this is how we know the coin featured here is a counterfeit. With Mint records showing the die capacities were, give or take, 200,000, and a total minted of just over 1.2 million, for this coin featured to be from a 7th die we’d expect to see a Mint record of over 1.4 million minted. That’s why this coin is a counterfeit. We that is to say don’t have to speculate on how it was counterfeited, only that it doesn’t match the 6 obverse dies in the record. There’s, in effect, the significance of this record.
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  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I’d pass on that one.
  21. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    The 1914-D cent is one that is best bought graded.
    One of the guys at the coin meeting brought one in to question.
    I couldn't get a good enough picture to post but it looked pretty good.
    One Big Red flag for me was someone scratched a line across the 1914 date.
    This guy still bought this coin for $55.
    He bought it 20 years ago from a coin shot that he trusted and was talking about sending it in to get graded.
    I'd be curious to know the results.
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