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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24855197, member: 26430"]I understand what you mean here, and I think the kneeling figures on Roman coins are often, perhaps even usually, friends.</p><p><br /></p><p>But <i>never</i> enemies, <i>always</i> friends, strikes me as far too strong a statement. In my view, it varies quite a bit, depending on details and context:</p><p><br /></p><p>After all, the kneeling figure is sometimes also bound -- clearly a "captive," if "captives" exist at all:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593201[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p>(My collection, ex RL)</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>This type may illustrate the scene from Florus, “Their king, Teutobodus himself … having been captured in a neighbouring forest was a striking figure in the triumphal procession; for, being a man of extraordinary stature, he towered above the trophies of his defeat.”</p><p><br /></p><p>There are many later coins showing the figure kneeling with hands bound (e.g., Memmius Denarius, <a href="https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-427.1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-427.1" rel="nofollow">Cr. 427/1</a> or the <a href="https://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=titus+kneeling" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=titus+kneeling" rel="nofollow">Titus Denarii & Aureii</a> that borrowed the design; J. <a href="https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-468.2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-468.2" rel="nofollow">Caesar's 468/2</a>).</p><p><br /></p><p>From the ANS Collection:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593203[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Even if we qualify it to "kneeling figures with their hands free," we see a range of relationships depicted, many of which are difficult to view as friendships:</p><p><br /></p><p>There are various series of "Capta" types on which some issues show two bound figures, and sometimes <i>one bound</i> and <i>one kneeling unbound</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Or a range of standing and seated figures, some of them bound, others kneeling in supplication, others in mourning pose.</p><p><br /></p><p>Such as Domitian's "Germania Capta" series. It seems a stretch to call the Germans "friends" <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3359384" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3359384" rel="nofollow">in those images</a>, except in the sense that they are defeated enemies in the act of surrendering & pleading for mercy. (The historical context would seem consistent with the "enemies" view; I believe he remained in conflict with them at the end of his reign, and peace wasn't reached (temporarily) until Trajan's reign.)</p><p><br /></p><p>On occasion they are even shown in the same tableau as a bound captive in the same dress.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here, the bound figure stands to the left of the trophy, while another kneels. It's a bit hard to see on this specimen/photo, but they're wearing the same headwear (also on <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/4806.1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/4806.1" rel="nofollow">Trajan's Alexandrian Drachms</a> of this type):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1593202[/ATTACH]</p><blockquote><p>(My collection, ex Dattari & ETB)</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>And similar series through the 3nd century.</p><p><br /></p><p>In my opinion, what we see across all the kneeling figures on Roman coins, is a range of different statuses, ranging from captured enemy, bound and awaiting execution at the end of the Triumph; defeated enemies begging mercy; Provincial personifications accepting their fate and submitting (here we see a kind of friendship); Provincial friends honoring the Emperor or making supplicating requests; all the way through honored friends being elevated to their own local Kingdoms.</p><p><br /></p><p>Too much to say that they're <i>never </i>enemies.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24855197, member: 26430"]I understand what you mean here, and I think the kneeling figures on Roman coins are often, perhaps even usually, friends. But [I]never[/I] enemies, [I]always[/I] friends, strikes me as far too strong a statement. In my view, it varies quite a bit, depending on details and context: After all, the kneeling figure is sometimes also bound -- clearly a "captive," if "captives" exist at all: [ATTACH=full]1593201[/ATTACH] [INDENT](My collection, ex RL)[/INDENT] This type may illustrate the scene from Florus, “Their king, Teutobodus himself … having been captured in a neighbouring forest was a striking figure in the triumphal procession; for, being a man of extraordinary stature, he towered above the trophies of his defeat.” There are many later coins showing the figure kneeling with hands bound (e.g., Memmius Denarius, [URL='https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-427.1']Cr. 427/1[/URL] or the [URL='https://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=titus+kneeling']Titus Denarii & Aureii[/URL] that borrowed the design; J. [URL='https://numismatics.org/crro/id/rrc-468.2']Caesar's 468/2[/URL]). From the ANS Collection: [ATTACH=full]1593203[/ATTACH] Even if we qualify it to "kneeling figures with their hands free," we see a range of relationships depicted, many of which are difficult to view as friendships: There are various series of "Capta" types on which some issues show two bound figures, and sometimes [I]one bound[/I] and [I]one kneeling unbound[/I]. Or a range of standing and seated figures, some of them bound, others kneeling in supplication, others in mourning pose. Such as Domitian's "Germania Capta" series. It seems a stretch to call the Germans "friends" [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3359384']in those images[/URL], except in the sense that they are defeated enemies in the act of surrendering & pleading for mercy. (The historical context would seem consistent with the "enemies" view; I believe he remained in conflict with them at the end of his reign, and peace wasn't reached (temporarily) until Trajan's reign.) On occasion they are even shown in the same tableau as a bound captive in the same dress. Here, the bound figure stands to the left of the trophy, while another kneels. It's a bit hard to see on this specimen/photo, but they're wearing the same headwear (also on [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/4806.1']Trajan's Alexandrian Drachms[/URL] of this type): [ATTACH=full]1593202[/ATTACH] [INDENT](My collection, ex Dattari & ETB)[/INDENT] And similar series through the 3nd century. In my opinion, what we see across all the kneeling figures on Roman coins, is a range of different statuses, ranging from captured enemy, bound and awaiting execution at the end of the Triumph; defeated enemies begging mercy; Provincial personifications accepting their fate and submitting (here we see a kind of friendship); Provincial friends honoring the Emperor or making supplicating requests; all the way through honored friends being elevated to their own local Kingdoms. Too much to say that they're [I]never [/I]enemies.[/QUOTE]
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