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<p>[QUOTE="curtislclay, post: 4624864, member: 89514"]Regarding Septimius' later acclamations as imperator, Andrew Burnett concluded, as DCCR states above,</p><p><br /></p><p>"All we can say at the moment is that, for Caracalla, all the diplomas, medallions, and inscriptions are consistent in according him a second salutation in 207. And it is hard to avoid the conclusion that, apart from this, everyone was unclear about the numbering of Septimius’ salutations."</p><p><br /></p><p>But my own conclusions are quite different. First, there is no consistency about Caracalla becoming IMP II in 207. Were that the case, then Septimius would certainly have become IMP XII at the same time, since acclamations were always shared by joint Augusti. But the PROF AVGG medallion shows that Septimius was still IMP XI in 208, therefore Caracalla was only IMP at the same time, so clearly cannot have become IMP II a year earlier, in 207.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, Andrew B. postulates general confusion about the correct numbering of Septimius and Caracalla's salutations towards the end of their joint reign, yet the coins and medallions of the mint of Rome, surely our most reliable source, show no confusion at all. Septimius' new bronze medallion, though unfortunately without tribunician number, shows that Septimius had become IMP XII before his death in 211, implying a simultaneous IMP II for Caracalla while Septimius was still alive. This conclusion is confirmed by the two medallions calling Caracalla IMP II but not yet BRIT (mid-210 on), and in combination with reverse types of 210, and by Caracalla's sole-reign bronze coins still calling him IMP II in 213. The only question the coins leave open is, exactly when did Septimius' IMP XII and Caracalla's IMP II occur, in 208 some time after 1 Jan., in 209, or in 210 before the emperors assumed the title BRIT about half way through that year?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="curtislclay, post: 4624864, member: 89514"]Regarding Septimius' later acclamations as imperator, Andrew Burnett concluded, as DCCR states above, "All we can say at the moment is that, for Caracalla, all the diplomas, medallions, and inscriptions are consistent in according him a second salutation in 207. And it is hard to avoid the conclusion that, apart from this, everyone was unclear about the numbering of Septimius’ salutations." But my own conclusions are quite different. First, there is no consistency about Caracalla becoming IMP II in 207. Were that the case, then Septimius would certainly have become IMP XII at the same time, since acclamations were always shared by joint Augusti. But the PROF AVGG medallion shows that Septimius was still IMP XI in 208, therefore Caracalla was only IMP at the same time, so clearly cannot have become IMP II a year earlier, in 207. Second, Andrew B. postulates general confusion about the correct numbering of Septimius and Caracalla's salutations towards the end of their joint reign, yet the coins and medallions of the mint of Rome, surely our most reliable source, show no confusion at all. Septimius' new bronze medallion, though unfortunately without tribunician number, shows that Septimius had become IMP XII before his death in 211, implying a simultaneous IMP II for Caracalla while Septimius was still alive. This conclusion is confirmed by the two medallions calling Caracalla IMP II but not yet BRIT (mid-210 on), and in combination with reverse types of 210, and by Caracalla's sole-reign bronze coins still calling him IMP II in 213. The only question the coins leave open is, exactly when did Septimius' IMP XII and Caracalla's IMP II occur, in 208 some time after 1 Jan., in 209, or in 210 before the emperors assumed the title BRIT about half way through that year?[/QUOTE]
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