Auction prices above retail

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Nov 29, 2015.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Today there was an auction of fine furniture, antique silverware, etc. with, in the middle, 10 multiple-coin lots of ancient coins from Roman Alexandria. Each lot had coins in poor condition, but three had rare coins worth good money even though the condition was not great.

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/82065_annual-thanksgiving-auction-day-two/?rows=120

    Lots 2100-2106 and 2108. I thought maybe the fact the auction did not emphasize coins might allow those lots to escape notice and go low. Boy, was I wrong! Most of the lots went far above retail, and note that the buyer's fee was an additional 23%.
    Lot 2102
    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42543960_lot-of-6-roman-coins
    went for $4,750 for six coins. Amazing!

    Lot 2103, consisting mostly of problem coins
    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42543961_lot-of-8-roman-coins
    went for $1300.

    Lot 2101
    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/42543959_lot-of-10-roman-coins
    with ten problem coins went for $1000, far above its value.

    Have any of you found that ancient coins offered in non-ancient-coin venues went low? They didn't this time.
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Wow, those are some incredible prices! Hmm, maybe I should sell my "leftovers" there :D.
     
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Some nice coins in all the lots but that's insane, especially the first link.
     
  5. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    That's crazy-town. Is it because the audience at this venue are antique collectors who don't know what ancient coins are worth?
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Note the auction house estimated the lots at $200-400 which is in line with the lots for the most part (depending on whether the green is BD or not). I see the two major factors as seen by non collectors at play here.

    1.All ancients are rare and belong in museums.
    2.Things 2000 years old should be expected to be rotten.

    Their being true or not makes no difference in some circles. These lots included some great types. I do wonder if the invoices here were paid.
     
  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The estimate given for that lot was $200-$400. If they didn't know what ancient coins were worth, you'd think they'd stick closer to the estimates. That's more than crazy town, that's the insane asylum in crazy town!
     
  8. 4to2centBC

    4to2centBC Well-Known Member

    Apparently it is the provenance driving that price

    Provenance: From the Lieutenant Commander Henry Honychurch Gorringe collection of the Worcester Art Museum. Commander Gorringe was contracted to move the obelisk of Thutmosis III, also known as Cleopatra's Needle, from Alexandria, Egypt to Central Park in New York City in 1879; he collected artifacts found during the excavation and move of the obelisk into his private collection of antiquities, of which part was consigned to the Worcester Art Museum in Worcester, MA.
     
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  9. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    More on him:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Honychurch_Gorringe

    Makes a bit more sense for the price. Still I wouldnt pay it.
     
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