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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1186108, member: 112"]As a general rule people tend to think that others think like they do. But in truth, they don't. I agree, they should dislose, but again, as a general rule, they don't. And that's because what Conder says is true. Many, many of the coins offered by European sellers and auction houses have been harshly/improperly cleaned. This has been true for as long as I can remember. And stories just like yours are extremely common. In fact most of the time they are even worse in that the auction house will not disclose that any of the coins had been harshly cleaned even when asked. So if I were you I'd count yourself lucky. But by the same token I do not believe this lack of disclosure is an effort by the auction house to deceive. Rather it is due to a lack of caring whether the coin has been harshly cleaned or not. Most people in the European market could care less. They seem to accept harsh cleaning as being the norm and find it in no way detrimental to the coin. The way I look at it is like this. For the most part, Europe and other parts of the world are behind the US when it comes to acceptance of harshly cleaned coins. A few decades ago they were just as accepted in the US. But even in 1960 my grandfather taught me that no coin should ever be harshly cleaned. So even that far back preferences and attitudes about harsh cleaning were changing in the US. Then 25 years later along came the TPGs - something else that is still not generally accepted in Europe but the idea has taken root and is spreading. I believe that in time ideas and attitudes In Europe about harshly cleaned coins will follow the same curve that they did in the US. But that is a ways off in the future.[/QUOTE]

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