Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
US Coins Forum
>
AU53--A "Dumb" Grade?
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="ctrl, post: 1373737, member: 13378"]I'm more interested in US coins myself, but to your assertion, I still have to ask: why? How can you justify saying US coins are more "advanced" or "diverse"? "More studied" does not mean "more detailed", in my opinion. The fact that there are more people obsessing about the tiniest details and knowledgeable about the miniscule differences in die and there is documented history of most years' minting runs in great detail does not mean that the coins are somehow naturally superior and deserving of critique that the rest of the world is not.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with this. The fact that there are more people obsessing/competing over miniscule fabrication details and the available detailed (and importantly short!) history of US coin minting means that the US coin market is astronomically larger than others, hence the necessity of more detailed grading. </p><p><br /></p><p>That was the basic argument from the Portuguese collector. "A tabela USA tem por fundamento principal a atribuição de uma valorização comercial das moedas. ... Não somente o sistema é obviamente susceptível de interpretações subjectivas, mas também é corrente a existência de sérias divergências. Não é inabitual alguém quebrar um "slab" para obter uma certificação de uma moeda segundo um grau superior, e consegui-la. Os USA têm um meio muito mais comercial, mas consequentemente também muito mais competitivo, em todos os sectores. ... Não há dúvida que um sistema mais simples é também mais aberto, logo mais universal."</p><p>i.e. "The USA grading method is principally based on attributing a commercial value on coins. [talks about slabbing] Not only is the system obviously susceptible to subjective interpretations, but also it's currently the source of serious disagreements. It's not uncommon for someone to break open a slab to get a new higher grade, and actually get it. The USA is much more commercial, but consequently also much more competitive, in all aspects. [talks about Travers' grading book and how detailed & complicated grading is, how more detailed grading is not applicable to older coins] There is no doubt that a simpler system is also more open and universal."[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ctrl, post: 1373737, member: 13378"]I'm more interested in US coins myself, but to your assertion, I still have to ask: why? How can you justify saying US coins are more "advanced" or "diverse"? "More studied" does not mean "more detailed", in my opinion. The fact that there are more people obsessing about the tiniest details and knowledgeable about the miniscule differences in die and there is documented history of most years' minting runs in great detail does not mean that the coins are somehow naturally superior and deserving of critique that the rest of the world is not. I agree with this. The fact that there are more people obsessing/competing over miniscule fabrication details and the available detailed (and importantly short!) history of US coin minting means that the US coin market is astronomically larger than others, hence the necessity of more detailed grading. That was the basic argument from the Portuguese collector. "A tabela USA tem por fundamento principal a atribuição de uma valorização comercial das moedas. ... Não somente o sistema é obviamente susceptível de interpretações subjectivas, mas também é corrente a existência de sérias divergências. Não é inabitual alguém quebrar um "slab" para obter uma certificação de uma moeda segundo um grau superior, e consegui-la. Os USA têm um meio muito mais comercial, mas consequentemente também muito mais competitivo, em todos os sectores. ... Não há dúvida que um sistema mais simples é também mais aberto, logo mais universal." i.e. "The USA grading method is principally based on attributing a commercial value on coins. [talks about slabbing] Not only is the system obviously susceptible to subjective interpretations, but also it's currently the source of serious disagreements. It's not uncommon for someone to break open a slab to get a new higher grade, and actually get it. The USA is much more commercial, but consequently also much more competitive, in all aspects. [talks about Travers' grading book and how detailed & complicated grading is, how more detailed grading is not applicable to older coins] There is no doubt that a simpler system is also more open and universal."[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
US Coins Forum
>
AU53--A "Dumb" Grade?
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...