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Message:: [QUOTE="Marshall, post: 5171653, member: 21705"]Apparently both NOYES and Breen do show more than one State B which is the equivalent of what would be Breen II. Looking at the photos. it is about as common as State I, however; there are a couple that are late IIs with heavier breaks. It's really a toss up whether to give those a later Die State or not and Noyes has not. "1796 NC-4 R5+ Draped Bust. VG-8. Fairly glossy dark chocolate brown with steel brown toning on the highpoints. The surfaces are mostly smooth and free of defects for the grade. The notable marks are a small dig in the field just left of the hair ribbon, a small planchet chip right of the L, a thin nick on the jaw near the throat, and a long diagonal nick over the N in ONE. The date is clear and the legends are strong. Extremely rare terminal die state, Breen state II, with a strong die crack through TES, and the area above this crack is sunken into a retained cud. Tied for CC#3 in the Noyes census as F12 net VG8, his photo #32703. Called VG8 and tied for CC#4 in the Bland census. Most likely the finest known of the die state. This die state was not known to Sheldon and is not plated in the Breen or Noyes books. A very important cent. DWH #2417." I misinterpreted the line about not plated as unknown. Breen lists it and calls it extremely rare. Noyes actually plates 2 in the die states and other census examples can be seen. Because of wear, most only show right of S to the rim.[/QUOTE]