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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Marshall, post: 4603799, member: 21705&quot;]The Noyes Reverses indicate Five Stages A through E. Stage C has the Rim Break I thought was the equivalent of Breen II, but it doesn&#039;t actually touch the M, though it comes close. His D sows it touching the M, so that may be his equivalent. But Noyes D and E both show a rim break in the dentils right of F. Noyes gives a diagnostic of the CUD at AME expanding back toward the rim break over F as the move from Stage D to Stage E, but I can&#039;t see a difference in his photos.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;m actually more comfortable with calling it Noyes Reverse stage D or E than any of the Breen stages. But Breen stages are still the standard. But I can see where it can be called any of the Breen stages II, III, IV or V. I guess the alternative is to just mention the CUD and too low a grade to render a Die Stage other than it&#039;s not I.</p><p><br /></p><p>But neither mention the movement of the CUD reaching the tip of E like the one labeled V in the Heritage Archives, so perhaps that one is deserving of the title of Terminal Die Stage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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