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<p>[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 3126454, member: 21705"]In looking at die state descriptions in Breen, I suspect he has gotten the order wrong. The example I just purchased has the weakened ribbon loops of Die State V due to regrinding. It also has the Large CUD at E(D) and the Heavy clash marks in the Left Wreath, die failure above S(T) and the Bulge below ON is heavy as in VI.</p><p><br /></p><p>But both examples of Vi and VII do not show the weakened ribbon loops or the failure above S(T), but show the heavy clash of the dentils above S(T). They also show a lighter CUD at E(D) than V.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think the more likely sequence is I, II, III, IV, VI, VII, V with some diagnostics for VI and VII being lost upon the regrinding.</p><p><br /></p><p>Noyes likewise shows the reground reverse as C followed by D with full ribbon loops. But in Noyes, C appears to have less bulging at the fraction. But I think it is due to it's higher grade rather than less bulging. Noyes only list three Reverse Die States, B C and D. I think they their sequence would be B, D and C. I just can't see clash marks and Ribbon loops reappearing after being ground down.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, I'm intrigued with the numismatics of this particular variety.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 3126454, member: 21705"]In looking at die state descriptions in Breen, I suspect he has gotten the order wrong. The example I just purchased has the weakened ribbon loops of Die State V due to regrinding. It also has the Large CUD at E(D) and the Heavy clash marks in the Left Wreath, die failure above S(T) and the Bulge below ON is heavy as in VI. But both examples of Vi and VII do not show the weakened ribbon loops or the failure above S(T), but show the heavy clash of the dentils above S(T). They also show a lighter CUD at E(D) than V. I think the more likely sequence is I, II, III, IV, VI, VII, V with some diagnostics for VI and VII being lost upon the regrinding. Noyes likewise shows the reground reverse as C followed by D with full ribbon loops. But in Noyes, C appears to have less bulging at the fraction. But I think it is due to it's higher grade rather than less bulging. Noyes only list three Reverse Die States, B C and D. I think they their sequence would be B, D and C. I just can't see clash marks and Ribbon loops reappearing after being ground down. Anyway, I'm intrigued with the numismatics of this particular variety.[/QUOTE]
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