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Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Marshall, Jan 5, 2017.

  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Just to avoid any confusion, this paragraph should have read:

    The other primary diagnostic was shared with me by Conder many years ago and is the intersection of the stem, inner vine and ribbon almost at the same point where the S-194 and other overdates have the stem intersecting below the intersection of the ribbon and the inner vine.
     
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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I've made it to the S-209? called S-215 on the SEGS slab. I really don't like any attribution at this point.

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    You'd think at least getting the right date would be easy, but it's not. One possibility is that the date shows signs of a double strike.

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    Where I'd expect to see the first 0, it looks more like another pointed 1 to me with a shadow of an 8 to it's right. But a date is not always needed for attribution.

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    The clash marks between the ribbon and the curls appear sharp and should be helpful, but they just add confusion. They do not match either the S-209 or the S-215, particularly the clash coming down from the bend in the ribbon.

    It's another head scratcher, but the injured right side of the pointed 1 (like the S-215) and the sharp point should help.

    But so far, nothing is satisfactory. My biggest reason for not going with S-215 which has the injured 1, pointed and correctly positioned is the 8 appears closer on S-215 than on the subject as well as missing a very prominent die crack in the left field above the lower curls.
     
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  4. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

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  5. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Tue Jan 18 07-09-00.jpg
    Just for help seeing a possible double strike and the second pointed 1.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Mission Accomplished. I have now photographed every Sheldon Cent in my collection.

    1793 - 1
    1794 - 15
    1795 - 7
    1796 Caps - 9
    1796 Draped Busts - 36 (4 NCs)
    1797 - 27 (2NCs)
    1798 - 31
    1799 - 0
    1800 - 42 (1NC)
    1801 - 16
    1802 - 22 (1NC, 1 Unknown)
    1803 - 27 (3NCs)
    1804 - 0
    1805 - 0
    1806 - 0
    1807 - 1

    total - 234
     
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  7. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    That is quite a collection of Non-Collectible Cents!!
     
  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Mostly duplicates of Now Collectable varieties.

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    Marshall Junior Member

  10. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Still a lot of coins only slightly more available than non-collectible because of your ability to properly identify them by variety.
     
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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I pretty much limited myself to R4+ (~100 known) and higher.Those that aren't are mistakes or have something special.

    Here is one:

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    A common S-216 EXCEPT it looks like the Terminal Die State or possibly a New Terminal Die State.

    This is another:

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    It appears to have reground/lapped Obverse of S-216 which was originally called Obverse 4 which is Obverse 8. It was heavily lapped and given the different number.

    Breen speculated a S-216 might exist before the lapping was done, but this coin indicates the opposite occurred. The S-221 after the obverse was lapped.

    So it is common as a variety and so far unique in this die state. It is possible this indicates an interrupted die marriage like the S-76 and the S-265 where the pairing was interrupted by the use of a new die or dies before the pairing is restored with more advanced die deterioration.

    The latest S-221s show a break, then CUD over TA which is obscured by wear, but not enough to hide the final die states. This coin appears to be a middle state of the reverse of S-221.
     
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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Hope I'm not hyjacking but wondered if I could get one of you large cent experts to attribute this for me.
    I found it around the house larger Letters? Anything special thanks in advance. 20220120_164421.jpg 20220120_164522.jpg
     
  13. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    Appears to be N-1 R1 (very common). Good looking large cent.
    Dan
     
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  14. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Thanks I appreciate the help
     
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  15. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    It's one of the reasons for the thread.
     
  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I feel a little out of sorts today. I broke down and SOLD several of my coins today at the Houston Money Show.
     
  17. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    That always hurts, they are parts of us after a while.
     
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  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Further down the rabbit trail:
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  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The impact of selling some of my Large Cents along with eyesight problems has taken the fun out of attribution for the time being. I'm not dead, just absent for a while.
     
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  20. HoledandCreative

    HoledandCreative Well-Known Member

    Enjoy the break the best you can. Take care.
     
  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    sorry
     
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