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All coin photos are rotated to make the upright of R vertical so dates will not align exactly when they are from different dies.



Please note the space between the bust and the pole as well as the date and bead spacing.

 

I'll try again.

 

Finally, look at the sunken die behind the hair below the cap.


OBVERSE 12





OBVERSE 13




OBVERSE 14





OBVERSE 15





SUBJECT

 

Looks like 15 to me but am not sure about where to look at the sunken die behind the hair below the cap.

 

On the two known 15's (1793 NC-6's), the hair behind the head blends into the field due to die sinking. It is noted on worn coins as a lack of definition between the hair and the field greater than elsewhere on the coin. But unlike uneven wear, it is consistent on coins of the same die variety and stage.

If you have a Breen Encyclopedia, It pictures the other known 1793 NC-6 and Noyes shows both.

 

Errands to run for most of day. I will check Breen and Noyes then. If I may ask where are you located? I am in Omaha.

 

SE Texas - Hometown of Michael Berry

 

Guessing 15

 

The dotted I, the R does not look totally centered, slightly off to right. Definitely see the very bad hair day.

 

While I'm working with 93 caps, here are THREE diagnostics for the 2 reverses:

SEE NEXT POST

 

My S-16 @ PCGS:

 

I'm very happy for you.

 

Thanks!

 

I was just speculating why there might be differences in 1798 S-158 Obverses. There are often differences in appearance due to PMD and often differences in strike and from planchet defects. But it might also be possible that there are die differences which might be so subtle they pass for the dame die.

But first is whether there are truly differences or if the is

Here is an ICON from a S-158 which seems just slightly off from the comp I use for identification of varieties.

Obverse 16 is used on S-158 and S-159 and Reverse M is used on NC-2 and S-158. In this case, there is no doubt on the identification of Reverse M and the obverse is significantly different than Obverse 15 on the only other pairing of Reverse M.

So the question is whether there are two obverses which might currently be called Obverse 16.

First is the subject which has been blown up from the ICON. It appears to me to have the Highest Wave of Hair (HWH) just slightly closer to the leg of the R than the comp which appears closer to the upright.


SUBJECT



COMP (probably a Holmes Specimen)

This is my S-158

So far, every S-158 I've checked in the Heritage Archives looks like the COMP, though I havn't exhausted the S-158 and haven't even started on the S-159s. But I don't see evidence of the Break through E of Noyes Reverse stage C so the reverse is either A (not seen) or B.

Let me know if you can see what I'm seeing or not. Even if you do, it just indicates further investigation is in order about why it would be different and perhaps lead to thought on a line of pursuit. I've seen some strange things due to grease and bifurcation.

 

This is the COMP. I somehow managed to delete it from the post above.

 

Here are the three in a vertical alignment.

 

Interesting; image of my counterfeit with a known genuine above for comparison:

 

Now that I look at the Y, I can see the difference in them. Thank for verifying there is a difference. But counterfeit wasn't what I expected, though it probably should be.