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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1945123, member: 19463"]As usual, this has a story. I bought this one:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]338509[/ATTACH] </p><p>I believe it is a Pi IV style from the mid 4th century. The coin is not as it was when it arrived and I now wish I have taken a photo of it before I touched it. The seller stated the coin was fourree and from the emergency of 406 BC but that was obviously ridiculous since the style is much later. I assumed the coin was just a contemporary fake but something bothered me. The seller said the coin weighed 17.02g. That is heavy for a fourree. I have a classical fourre that is heavy at 16.5g and it is very noticeably wider than most tets. This one has a narrow flan (21mm) and showed in the seller image a test cut completely filled with black material but no wear through to core that I could see. The coin has some wear so I'd expect more core exposure or a lighter weight. It has residue of dark material on the surfaces which turned out to be incompletely removed 'fund patina'. On arrival, exam under a binocular microscope showed the test cut was filled with black wax or tar. A little picking with a pin removed it showing no copper. The coin weighed more than a fourree because it was a solid item. After 'cleaning' it now weighs only 16.98g which seems acceptable for a worn coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>A genuine 'emergency' fourree will sell for more than a solid coin but regular 'other' fake fourrees sell for less. Test cut coins sell for less than uncut ones but this is about as unobtrusive a cut as I have seen not wrecking the owl as most do. The seller was asking a fair price for a test cut coin and was not priced at the level for an emergency issue. I ordered it hoping that I would find it not a fourree but it was a risk. Test cuts are common on coins of this period. I already had a similar one with two more severe cuts.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]338520[/ATTACH] </p><p>This older coin has less wear but the worst possible test cut destroying both sides. I guess this is an upgrade. I know most of you would avoid any cut but I am not willing to pay the price for perfect owls I see.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1945123, member: 19463"]As usual, this has a story. I bought this one: [ATTACH=full]338509[/ATTACH] I believe it is a Pi IV style from the mid 4th century. The coin is not as it was when it arrived and I now wish I have taken a photo of it before I touched it. The seller stated the coin was fourree and from the emergency of 406 BC but that was obviously ridiculous since the style is much later. I assumed the coin was just a contemporary fake but something bothered me. The seller said the coin weighed 17.02g. That is heavy for a fourree. I have a classical fourre that is heavy at 16.5g and it is very noticeably wider than most tets. This one has a narrow flan (21mm) and showed in the seller image a test cut completely filled with black material but no wear through to core that I could see. The coin has some wear so I'd expect more core exposure or a lighter weight. It has residue of dark material on the surfaces which turned out to be incompletely removed 'fund patina'. On arrival, exam under a binocular microscope showed the test cut was filled with black wax or tar. A little picking with a pin removed it showing no copper. The coin weighed more than a fourree because it was a solid item. After 'cleaning' it now weighs only 16.98g which seems acceptable for a worn coin. A genuine 'emergency' fourree will sell for more than a solid coin but regular 'other' fake fourrees sell for less. Test cut coins sell for less than uncut ones but this is about as unobtrusive a cut as I have seen not wrecking the owl as most do. The seller was asking a fair price for a test cut coin and was not priced at the level for an emergency issue. I ordered it hoping that I would find it not a fourree but it was a risk. Test cuts are common on coins of this period. I already had a similar one with two more severe cuts. [ATTACH=full]338520[/ATTACH] This older coin has less wear but the worst possible test cut destroying both sides. I guess this is an upgrade. I know most of you would avoid any cut but I am not willing to pay the price for perfect owls I see.[/QUOTE]
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