Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by gogili1977, Aug 22, 2019.
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks. Which would be a fair price?
In that grade $100 would be the highest price one should expect, but if you look around you will find a much better example and cheaper.
Your coin looks ok to me, but €400 is way too much! In that condition, I'd not pay more than €60 (about $65) for it.
Certainly not. While the coin is question isn't worth the asking price it also is not worth as little as $65. Even my estimate was a bit on the low side. A very quick look around at fixed prices shows me that the cheapest of these start around $125 and quickly get more expensive. Now, I understand, one can easily find plenty of auction results of very low prices, but there are always exceptions in the market. In my 30 years of being a dealer I have seen where a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of value, both high and low. My responses are usually the same, if you can find them that cheap let me know and I will buy all that I can.
As to the current hoard. Prices have already come down. Dealer prices for those were initially just under $1,000, less if you bought 10. I have seen plenty nice examples hammer in the $600-700 range (add $100 or so for the commissions). But then again, I have never quite understood the series of coins. I have seen examples with near full crests, well centered, EF, no problems, sell for under $1,000 and in the same sale one I felt was not as good selling for double. Its a weird series of coins.
So much this.
I settled for a late owl because it was significantly cheaper than the classical style. I am very proud of that owl, and I love it to bits, but I would love a classical owl as well.
But as @Ken Dorney says, no, you cannot get a late owl for $65.
What is a "Late Owl" (or an 'early' owl for that matter),and,
What sort of Owls do I have? (Because of my budget, I am presuming 'late' owls.)
APULIA Teate SNG Cop. 690 var.
Sicily Kamarina Tetras Athena Owl Eule 3.46 g 15 mm SNG Cop. 169.
I'm sure I'll get this slightly wrong, and those more knowledgeable will jump into fine tune this response, but essentially a classical owl tetradrachm is one before around 350BC, whereas a late owl is after 350BC (roughly corresponding to before and after Alexander the Great).
In terms of style and quality, a classical owl has a more pleasant design and better quality strike, whereas a late owl almost looks like a barbaric imitation in comparison.
Here is an entry level classical owl from circa 450 to 400BC:
Here is an entry level (my) late owl from circa 350 to 300BC:
Both are from Attica, Athens.
After 393 BC. AR Tetradrachm (19 MM 16.67 gm). Helmeted head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet with three olive leaves over visor and a spiral palmette on the bowl / AQE, owl standing right, head facing; olive sprig and crescent behind; all in an incuse square. SNG Copenhagen 63; BMC Attica pg. 13, 129; Svoronos, Athenes pl. 20, 1.
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Aha! So the 'Kamarina' is 'Classical' and the 'Apulia' is 'Late'?
One of each. Good. Thank-you.
When discussing "classical" and "late" Owls... my understanding is that we are discussing Owls from Athens.. not from other cities or regions that minted coins that happened to have an Owl - which are a different type?
I may be completely wrong (and I don't own either... yet... and I love your coins).
Maybe an experienced collector can clarify? These are so far out of my reach (at the moment) that I have not read much about them .. just admired.
Oh! That makes sense. Thank you.
Yes you can, but it won't be very good..
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