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<p>[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 542287, member: 4580"]I ran into a similar problem when storing slides from professional photos I took of racing yachts, back in the early 80's. I also stored 2x2's containing coins in such album/notebook pages. By 2000, most of the pages had all stuck together, semi-permanently. I think it's simply from lack of ventilation and page-to-page contact. I think a lot of it is caused by the <u>gases</u> released through time, that do not get dispersed by ventilation. Coin pages were affected less than those holding slides, because those pages were not opened and ventilated. And I even ran my finger down inside the pockets to wipe them and air the pocket out a bit. VEntilation and non-contact are key, imho.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's likely that older plastic 2x2 pages will smell like that eventually. In 10-20 years, they will begin to stick together and feel gummy, and it won't come off. Most any soft vinyl like that has plasticizers, but it did not seem to affect my coins in 2x2's at all.</p><p><br /></p><p>Still, I replace the pages about every five years or so. I don't like the gooey stuff that would eventually form if left longer.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would not store a coin in a vinyl flip for any extended period, especially with coin in direct contact with the flip. I think they are fine for short term storage and shipping, and there's no question that the cushy vinyl flips have a superior 'feel.'</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not surprised that dealers sell pages and flips with PVC in them. They also sell coin darkeners, brighteners, dips, and other cleaning supplies, <u>because folks buy them</u>. They do not care at all if you ruin your coins. There are plenty more where those came from, and every coin you destroy with even mild cleaning is okay with them, and makes all other uncleaned coins that much scarcer. If you bought the coin from them and you touch it, they will pay you less than you might otherwise expect. They know what they sold you. ; )</p><p><br /></p><p>Almost every method of cleaning will remove DNA from a coin. In the next 100 years, the DNA from old uncleaned coins will prove links to many ancestors. Coins so linked may become <u>very valuable</u>. Imagine me calling you and explaining that I can prove your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather owned a particular coin that I had. The right, uncleaned Lincoln cent might be worth millions. </p><p><br /></p><p>That's one reason the most important aspect of coin collecting is developing the ability to distinguish cleaned coins and avoid them. The other reason is a simple matter of honesty. <u>Please don't tell us that nobody ever told you not to clean your coins.</u> Remember, you were warned, long ago. Perhaps I can reinforce that notion today.</p><p><br /></p><p>Lots of folks like to clean their coins and think they do no harm. But you see, that is just THEIR UNINFORMED OPINION. I am estimating that 80-90% of coins with uncleaned verdigris also bear DNA traces of users from the past.</p><p><br /></p><p>The finest coin collectors are stewards that preserve the surface condition of their coins as they receive them. </p><p><br /></p><p>It's one thing to hold a coin in your hand and think that Julius Caesar may have held it in his hand; it will be another thing to be able to prove it. : )</p><p><br /></p><p>Let me close this post with a couple of important terms: 'surfaces in original condition' and 'coin has never been cleaned.' Experts can always determine that. </p><p><br /></p><p>And how about, 'a dipped coin is a cleaned coin,' and 'cleaned coins have altered surfaces.'[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Larry Moran, post: 542287, member: 4580"]I ran into a similar problem when storing slides from professional photos I took of racing yachts, back in the early 80's. I also stored 2x2's containing coins in such album/notebook pages. By 2000, most of the pages had all stuck together, semi-permanently. I think it's simply from lack of ventilation and page-to-page contact. I think a lot of it is caused by the [U]gases[/U] released through time, that do not get dispersed by ventilation. Coin pages were affected less than those holding slides, because those pages were not opened and ventilated. And I even ran my finger down inside the pockets to wipe them and air the pocket out a bit. VEntilation and non-contact are key, imho. It's likely that older plastic 2x2 pages will smell like that eventually. In 10-20 years, they will begin to stick together and feel gummy, and it won't come off. Most any soft vinyl like that has plasticizers, but it did not seem to affect my coins in 2x2's at all. Still, I replace the pages about every five years or so. I don't like the gooey stuff that would eventually form if left longer. I would not store a coin in a vinyl flip for any extended period, especially with coin in direct contact with the flip. I think they are fine for short term storage and shipping, and there's no question that the cushy vinyl flips have a superior 'feel.' I'm not surprised that dealers sell pages and flips with PVC in them. They also sell coin darkeners, brighteners, dips, and other cleaning supplies, [U]because folks buy them[/U]. They do not care at all if you ruin your coins. There are plenty more where those came from, and every coin you destroy with even mild cleaning is okay with them, and makes all other uncleaned coins that much scarcer. If you bought the coin from them and you touch it, they will pay you less than you might otherwise expect. They know what they sold you. ; ) Almost every method of cleaning will remove DNA from a coin. In the next 100 years, the DNA from old uncleaned coins will prove links to many ancestors. Coins so linked may become [U]very valuable[/U]. Imagine me calling you and explaining that I can prove your great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather owned a particular coin that I had. The right, uncleaned Lincoln cent might be worth millions. That's one reason the most important aspect of coin collecting is developing the ability to distinguish cleaned coins and avoid them. The other reason is a simple matter of honesty. [U]Please don't tell us that nobody ever told you not to clean your coins.[/U] Remember, you were warned, long ago. Perhaps I can reinforce that notion today. Lots of folks like to clean their coins and think they do no harm. But you see, that is just THEIR UNINFORMED OPINION. I am estimating that 80-90% of coins with uncleaned verdigris also bear DNA traces of users from the past. The finest coin collectors are stewards that preserve the surface condition of their coins as they receive them. It's one thing to hold a coin in your hand and think that Julius Caesar may have held it in his hand; it will be another thing to be able to prove it. : ) Let me close this post with a couple of important terms: 'surfaces in original condition' and 'coin has never been cleaned.' Experts can always determine that. And how about, 'a dipped coin is a cleaned coin,' and 'cleaned coins have altered surfaces.'[/QUOTE]
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