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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1011376, member: 112&quot;]Too bad the lightbulb went back off <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>If it is being arrogant to say that someone cannot understand what is written in black and white then I guess I am arrogant. So be it because all I am doing is reporting what the books say, I&#039;m not making it up.</p><p><br /></p><p>From PCGS, verbatim - <i>An MS70 coin has no defects of any kind visible with a 5x (5 power) glass. NOTE: Minor die polish, light die breaks, and so on are not considered defects on business strike coins.</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Now given that definition there can be defects visible under a 10x glass, or even a 7x glass - or do you disagree with that too ?</p><p><br /></p><p>And since there can be defects, then the coin is obviously not perfect now is it ? But there is a qualification in that standard, a very important one. That being that a 5x glass is used. It&#039;s also probably important to note that the word perfect is not used anyplace in that grading standard.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is an example of what I mean Mike when I say that you have to read the whole book. Sure, sopmebody can now go to the PCGS lingo page and quote the line for the definition of MS70 and you will see this - </p><p><br /></p><p><i>MS-70 </i></p><p><i>This is for &quot;Mint State&quot; (the grade) and &quot;70&quot; (the numerical designation of that grade). A perfect coin! Even with 5X magnification there are no marks, hairlines or luster breaks in evidence. The luster is vibrant, the strike is razor-sharp, and the eye appeal is the ultimate. Note: Minor die polish and light die breaks are not considered to be defects on circulation strike coins. </i></p><p><br /></p><p>And sure enough, there&#039;s that dang word - perfect ! But right there in black and white is also the qualification that <b>with 5x magnification !</b>. </p><p><br /></p><p>Which again means that with 7x magnification <u><b>there can be</b></u> marks, hairlines and luster breaks. So again - the coin isn&#039;t perfect by your dictionary definition.</p><p><br /></p><p>That&#039;s the thing, that&#039;s the hangup - the use of the word perfect. People see that word and automatically conclusion of what it means. For some reason they ignore the very next sentence - with 5x magnification !</p><p><br /></p><p>Mike there are countless words and terms and phrases used in numismatics that have their own definition that are entirely specific just to the field of numismatics - and not some dictionary. I understand what you mean, but when you do that you are making a personal choice to use the definition of your choice, instead of the definition that is used in the hobby.</p><p><br /></p><p>People have to get over doing that and use the terms as they are intended to be used. Not as they personally want to use them.</p><p><br /></p><p>To me, <b>that</b> is what is arrogant ![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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