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Message:: [QUOTE="mikenoodle, post: 1011340, member: 307"]unfortunately, Doug, and this is not to say that I disagree in any way, but the TPGs are not allowed to invent definitions of words that already exist within the English language. taken from Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary: per·fect - [adj., n. pur-fikt; v. per-fekt] - a being without flaw or defect: FLAWLESS That's not an interpretation, that's the definition according to one of the foremost authorities on American English. If what they really mean is as close as you can get, they should call it "Nearly Perfect Uncirculated". Standards are not, nor should they be, based on slang or misuse, they should be clearly defined. Thus making them true standards. As I had said, it's not the fact that coins shouldn't be graded as MS-70, as much as they shouldn't grade MS-70 as long as MS-70 is described as Perfect Uncirculated. IIRC, when these standards were first devised, they used the word "perfect" and for years didn't ever grade a coin at that level. People were comfortable with this as I think most if not all would agree that although you can get near perfection, it is rarely if ever actually attained in any endeavor. My position is and will continue to be that it's ok to relax a standard if you please, the market will compensate, (as will credibility) but don't take liberties with the English language and then tell me that I don't understand what it really means.[/QUOTE]