AT vs NT - what do you think?

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AT or NT

  1. NT

  2. AT

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  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    Let's vote and see what everyone thinks

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  3. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    That's tuff but I'm actually thinking it's NT. Look how the color banded around the specs at TY & shoulder area plus the color progression looks good. The pattern is the only thing making me think AT but unusual patterns exist and I'm seeing elevation chromatics
     
  4. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    @BadThad you have a message at the front desk :)
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    gonna go with AT.
     
  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Market unacceptable.
     
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  7. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    No offense. Ew that is so bad. AT.
     
  8. totally

    totally Active Member

    fake fake fake
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Looks like it would grade AT but stranger things have happened
     
  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    AT. You can tell by the patterns that a liquid was applied to make it tone.
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'll second that.
     
  12. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Damn, I'm out voted like a bazillion to one lol. Don't know what I was thinking last night but with fresh eyes and seeing the date I would have to agree
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's still pretty. :D
     
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  14. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Not that I will do it, but what sort of chemical would do that?
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Not sure but heat may have something to do with it.
     
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  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    That was my first impression
     
  17. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Just getting back from the outer banks as a collector I couldn't help to notice how many pennies I received in change that had rainbow like shine on them.
    I learned quickly that one must leave their car windows cracked as the heat that built up in my rental was like an oven, even more so there, then home.
    That said I'm sure that tourists leave change in their cars
    as they go to and from the beaches.
    I also noticed as I received a 1945 P war nickel in change from a beer I purchased that there were a lot of cents pre 1980 circulating . Again all had a cooked look to them.
     
  18. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    It's a beautiful coin. I won't deny that. But the person who posted it on IG said its NT. I'm not a toning expert but I didn't think 10 years is long enough to have results like this naturally.
     
  19. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I say intentionally toned - IT.
     
  20. thedredge

    thedredge Active Member

    I think it is AT as well.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'd almost bet that the toning on your avatar occurred in much less time than that.

    I realize that a great many people think that natural toning takes a long, long time to occur. But it doesn't. Oh sure there are times that it does take a long time, sometimes even a very long time. But there are also times when it occurs very quickly. And from everything I've seen, studied, read about, and heard over the years - quick occurs far more often than long.

    Of course quick and long are relative terms and some will see them as meaning many different things. But for my purposes quick can be anywhere from a few months to a couple of years. Long can be anywhere from 5 years to decades. But in no case is either one a requirement for toning, or the lack of it, is entirely dependent upon conditions. And in most cases ones personal experience has little if any bearing on it because conditions can vary so greatly.

    In other words, one can say well my coins never did this or my coins never did that, or my coins did do this or my coins did do that. And they think that this has meaning, that it indicates what other coins did or didn't do. But they don't realize that whatever happened to their coins only happened because their own very specific, and often quite different, conditions. There are literally a thousand or more variables involved in how coins tone or don't tone. And quite often, in fact almost always, those variables came into play long before you ever owned the coin.

    I have personally seen colorful toning begin on new coins in as little as a few weeks. And that was on coins sealed in Air-Tites and then sealed in Tupperware containers - and in the second driest state in the country. And yet only 12 feet away where I had other virtually untoned older MS coins stored also sealed in Air-Tites and in another sealed container - nothing happened.

    So what was different ? What could possibly explain such drastically different results ? Simple, the coins that toned were in a wooden chest of drawers. The coins that did not tone were in the safe, with nothing but inert materials.

    And I did not do this as an experiment, it all happened quite by accident. The coins that I stuck in my dresser had no value to speak of, they were simply new coins that anybody could get, Silver Eagles as a matter of fact. So no, they weren't modern clad coins, they were silver, just like the older more valuable coins in the safe. The one and only difference was their exposure from being stored in that wood dresser.

    My point is that's all it takes, once little thing being different. You can have your coins in album out on a bookshelf in the living room, or in an album stored away in your safe - and the results may be different. Or they may not, for there are other variables as well, countless numbers of them. And somebody else in another town may have completely different results than you did, even though they did the same things you did.

    So no, colorful natural toning doesn't always take 10 years, or decades, or any other period of time. So don't ever fool yourself into believing that there is some set time. It can occur quickly, or slowly, or it may not occur at all. Certainly some toning will occur no matter what you do. The only question is the matter of degree and the way it will end up looking - hardly noticeable, attractive, ugly, or just plain blah.
     
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