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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 1099802, member: 26302&quot;]It gets back to definition of AT versus NT Vnickels. Doug has wrote about this, but if you put a coin in certain coin books, leave it for a few years, it will tone. Is that AT or NT? Does your intention in putting it in there change the toning?</p><p><br /></p><p>If people use chemicals applied to a coin, I think most toning collectors can recognize that. That is what Doug means by amateurish. If someone replicates toning the same way NT occurs, then how would one tell? Its a slippery slope, since toning is a slippery slope, the faster you try to AT tone coins, the more different they are from NT. Instant chemical application will most likely look different than NT. Oven baking with certain accelerants will look more natural, but maybe not quite. Put into an old holder for 5 years, then even more like NT. Its a continuum really, and hard to draw the line.</p><p><br /></p><p>It makes me really sad that you mention copper. Anyone turning red copper into a toned copper literally makes me sick, since it is so hard to keep one red.</p><p><br /></p><p>Unfortunately its the old rule of economics, higher prices create more supply, one way or another. Toned coin collectors will always have to fight this as long as they are willing to pay over book value for toning. I bought a TON of toned coins, but today if I want pretty silver toning I will buy old silver items like coffee sets, they are much larger and tone just as well as coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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