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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1854554, member: 112"]Yeah, kinda, but they are hard to describe with words. But easy to see when you look at them, in person, in pictures not so much. Pictures can be very misleading, not just with toning but with anything, so you're not really sure exactly what you are looking at. And I'm not talking about doctored or juiced pictures either, I'm just talking about honest unedited pictures.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, I've posted these pics several times as a way of explaining what I am talking about. The coin is NT, I took both sets of pics (same exact coin in both) within minutes of each other. The only thing I changed was to slightly change the angle of the lighting. But look at the difference in the pictures.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]310488[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]310489[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]310490[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]310491[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>See what I mean ?</p><p><br /></p><p>There are some AT jobs that are just a joke, the colors look like they were painted onto the coin. And those are easy to identify, if you know what you are looking at, if you don't, not so easy. For example, what exactly does painted onto the coin mean ? If 10 different people read that phrase it's a pretty good bet that at least 7 of them will have a different idea of what it means or looks like in their mind's eye. I know exactly what it means to me, but how do I explain that with words ? I really can't. It's kind of like trying to explain what a color looks like to a blind person - it can't be done.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some folks talk a great deal about color progression being the way to identify AT. And yes, colors do occur in certain progression. Problem is, one band of color can be so tiny (thin) that it cannot really be seen and to many it will look like it is missing. Also, natural toning can start, stop, and begin all over again repeating from the beginning. So you can have the color found at one end of the spectrum right next to the color found at the opposite end of the spectrum and it will look like the colors are out of sequence (proper progression) when they really are not. The list goes on.</p><p><br /></p><p>So yeah, there are some things that are a dead give away that toning is AT, but only to an experienced and trained eye. Many people, even very experienced people, are fooled into thinking that toning is AT when it is not, and into thinking that toning is NT when it is not. In fact the same person will often change his opinion when looking at the same exact coin on two different occasions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Learning to grade is tough, learning to identify problem coins is tough, learning to identify AT is tough, and they all require a great deal of experience to do any of them correctly. But the first two can be done with a good degree of certainty. Learning to identify AT from NT - cannot. (unless it is a very poor job)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1854554, member: 112"]Yeah, kinda, but they are hard to describe with words. But easy to see when you look at them, in person, in pictures not so much. Pictures can be very misleading, not just with toning but with anything, so you're not really sure exactly what you are looking at. And I'm not talking about doctored or juiced pictures either, I'm just talking about honest unedited pictures. For example, I've posted these pics several times as a way of explaining what I am talking about. The coin is NT, I took both sets of pics (same exact coin in both) within minutes of each other. The only thing I changed was to slightly change the angle of the lighting. But look at the difference in the pictures. [ATTACH=full]310488[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]310489[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]310490[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]310491[/ATTACH] See what I mean ? There are some AT jobs that are just a joke, the colors look like they were painted onto the coin. And those are easy to identify, if you know what you are looking at, if you don't, not so easy. For example, what exactly does painted onto the coin mean ? If 10 different people read that phrase it's a pretty good bet that at least 7 of them will have a different idea of what it means or looks like in their mind's eye. I know exactly what it means to me, but how do I explain that with words ? I really can't. It's kind of like trying to explain what a color looks like to a blind person - it can't be done. Some folks talk a great deal about color progression being the way to identify AT. And yes, colors do occur in certain progression. Problem is, one band of color can be so tiny (thin) that it cannot really be seen and to many it will look like it is missing. Also, natural toning can start, stop, and begin all over again repeating from the beginning. So you can have the color found at one end of the spectrum right next to the color found at the opposite end of the spectrum and it will look like the colors are out of sequence (proper progression) when they really are not. The list goes on. So yeah, there are some things that are a dead give away that toning is AT, but only to an experienced and trained eye. Many people, even very experienced people, are fooled into thinking that toning is AT when it is not, and into thinking that toning is NT when it is not. In fact the same person will often change his opinion when looking at the same exact coin on two different occasions. Learning to grade is tough, learning to identify problem coins is tough, learning to identify AT is tough, and they all require a great deal of experience to do any of them correctly. But the first two can be done with a good degree of certainty. Learning to identify AT from NT - cannot. (unless it is a very poor job)[/QUOTE]
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