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<p>[QUOTE="THCoins, post: 8317710, member: 57364"]I am starting to feel a bit like shouting in the desert in this thread. So this will be my last contribution. I am afraid that the confidence that some of the contributers have in their opinions is inversely related to their level of knowledge of the complex history of this region and its coinage. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>You are factually incorrect. As i mentioned in my first post in this thread, many categories of coins are incorrectly or to broadly defined and include cointypes which have nothing to do with Afghanistan.</p><p><br /></p><p>One of the historical complexities of Afghanistan is that it was ruled by a succession of a large number of different dynasties. Most of these ruling dynasties did not originate within Afghanistan but were foreign invaders conquering the region. These dynasties ruled Afghanistan for a period and coinage was minted under their authority. However, repeatedly the ruling dynasty was displaced by a new invader and moved out of the Afghan region to a new territory. For example the Ghorids drove the Ghaznavids out of Afghanistan. The Ghaznavids then continued to rule in the Punjab for several decades, producing different coins there. The Khwarezmshahi drove the Ghorids out of Afghanistan. But the Ghorids moved to North-Western India and formed the basis for the Dehli sultanate there. Again, the Indian coinage of the Ghorids had nothing to do with Afghanistan anymore.</p><p> </p><p>I demonstrated this one earlier:</p><p>"p. Ghurid coins include silver and gold tangas with inscriptions and abstract goddess iconography."</p><p>The "abstract godess iconography" refers to this coin type:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1472845[/ATTACH] </p><p>And this is where it was minted and circulated:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1472846[/ATTACH] </p><p>The red bullet indicates the city of Kannauj which came under Ghurid control after they expanded from Afghanistan to the east. This abstract "seated Lakshmi" coin type is a continuation of the previous city coinage there, just replacing the name of the ruler with that of Ghorid ruler Muhammad bin Sam in the typical Nagari scriptstyle of this Northern Indian region. (There are two coin types with this iconography, the other one is from Bayana in the same region). For easy reference i indicated the distance to the Afghan border. To declare this coin type as important Afghan heritage is simply preposterous.</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe that legislation is most effective and best accepted when people can trust that the rule making process is accurate and rules are just. This list of coin categories and the ensuing rules was made up by, possibly idealistic but, factually incompetent fools.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="THCoins, post: 8317710, member: 57364"]I am starting to feel a bit like shouting in the desert in this thread. So this will be my last contribution. I am afraid that the confidence that some of the contributers have in their opinions is inversely related to their level of knowledge of the complex history of this region and its coinage. You are factually incorrect. As i mentioned in my first post in this thread, many categories of coins are incorrectly or to broadly defined and include cointypes which have nothing to do with Afghanistan. One of the historical complexities of Afghanistan is that it was ruled by a succession of a large number of different dynasties. Most of these ruling dynasties did not originate within Afghanistan but were foreign invaders conquering the region. These dynasties ruled Afghanistan for a period and coinage was minted under their authority. However, repeatedly the ruling dynasty was displaced by a new invader and moved out of the Afghan region to a new territory. For example the Ghorids drove the Ghaznavids out of Afghanistan. The Ghaznavids then continued to rule in the Punjab for several decades, producing different coins there. The Khwarezmshahi drove the Ghorids out of Afghanistan. But the Ghorids moved to North-Western India and formed the basis for the Dehli sultanate there. Again, the Indian coinage of the Ghorids had nothing to do with Afghanistan anymore. I demonstrated this one earlier: "p. Ghurid coins include silver and gold tangas with inscriptions and abstract goddess iconography." The "abstract godess iconography" refers to this coin type: [ATTACH=full]1472845[/ATTACH] And this is where it was minted and circulated: [ATTACH=full]1472846[/ATTACH] The red bullet indicates the city of Kannauj which came under Ghurid control after they expanded from Afghanistan to the east. This abstract "seated Lakshmi" coin type is a continuation of the previous city coinage there, just replacing the name of the ruler with that of Ghorid ruler Muhammad bin Sam in the typical Nagari scriptstyle of this Northern Indian region. (There are two coin types with this iconography, the other one is from Bayana in the same region). For easy reference i indicated the distance to the Afghan border. To declare this coin type as important Afghan heritage is simply preposterous. I believe that legislation is most effective and best accepted when people can trust that the rule making process is accurate and rules are just. This list of coin categories and the ensuing rules was made up by, possibly idealistic but, factually incompetent fools.[/QUOTE]
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