Asking advice

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Wade Elliott, Sep 24, 2021.

  1. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Member

    Should I send any of these in?
    1927 Peace Dollar
    1834 capped bust half
    1902 Barber Half[says proof, but has scratches] 20210924_162735.jpg 20210924_162758.jpg 20210924_163032.jpg 20210924_163051.jpg 20210924_162148.jpg 20210924_162411.jpg
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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    No, I wouldn't! :D The top two look cleaned and the bottom one has the scratches! Good enough for a collection but no benefit to have graded at all!
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    1927 Peace dollar: while that's a somewhat better date, I don't think that one needs a slab or would be worth the extra time and expense. Maybe cleaned. And then there's the reeding marks. It's just fine as a raw coin.

    1834 Bust half: it's a common date (though I don't know about the variety). Cleaned, but since that's par for the course on Bust halves, I don't know whether they'd consider it "market acceptable" or not. I don't think they would.

    1902 Barber half: it is, as you pointed out, hairlined, which is also not unusual on proof Barber halves, and cleaned (likewise not unusual). If you want it in a holder to certify that it is indeed a proof, go ahead and send it in, but otherwise, I see no benefit here.

    All three of these are decent coins, but just not the best candidates for third-party certification, is all. I'd enjoy them as-is, and not waste the time and money trying to slab them.
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    No on all of them.
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  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    No.. Why would you want to do that anyway?
  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

  9. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Member

    First to prove the barber is a proof.
    The other 2 were just curiosity to me they looked cleaned and that's been confirmed so no questioning them now.
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  10. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Member

    The 1927 peace dollar does look like a possible die Crack on the upper cheek?
  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I don't think so.

    Pity about the Barber. That's a lovely coin.
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  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    All cleaned but that barber looks like a proof so I may send it in
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  13. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    I don’t know……that half looks “off” to me. Am I the only one that questions its authenticity?
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  14. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    That was my immediate thought too.
    After looking closely I strongly think the Barber half is fake.

    Look at the lips closely side by side with a high grade authenticated one. No match. Same with the contours under the nose.

    Look closely at the earlobes. Again, no match.

    I can go on, both obv and rev, I just don't see any need to.

    Oh, and the luster just looks sooo off as well.

    From PCGS website:


    The OP coin:

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  15. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    The Capped Bust is also not looking very authentic.

    Check out the stars on the obv.



    OP coin:

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  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm always leery of such differences on early series that I am unfamiliar with. You don't know how many dies were used and whether there were more than one style for any given year. There are many different looks for die creation devices and a few mistakes (using a punch for a different series) on early Mint Dies.

    But given that, caution should be exercised and expectations should be lowered until you've done your homework.

    Kudos for seeking advice. You'll get all kinds. Sort through it and see what you get.
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  17. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    No. The last two would come back “improperly cleaned” for sure, and the first one might get the same label.
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  18. JBOCON

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  19. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    The 1834 is real...just cleaned and pictured at an angle (looks like from below). It is an example of the Overton 109 die marriage--probably the most common for the year. A bit of trivia...the O-109 was not minted until 1835 despite the date on the coin.
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  20. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    A teaching opportunity.

    How can you tell me Peace dollar is cleaned?
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  21. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I have quite a few coins that my father collected. Since he really never told me or my brother anything about his collection, we had never collected coins until we got his. Actually, my brother hasn't even opened the box he got his half of the coins. However, I did, and it took me down an ever-ending road of coin collection. I have put all of mine in 2x2s, but until I learn more about coins, I won't be able to decide to slab them, if any. I think coin collecting should be taken in baby steps until you really know what you have and/or getting. My first step would be to learn about the 185X Flying Eagles. I got 3 1857 and 2 1868 FEs. They are nice, but I wouldn't send them in to be graded and most of my father's coins are like that. I don't send in my Mint coins to be graded because as long as I like what I get, they don't need to be graded.
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