ASE reverse redesign.

I'm afraid that at first look I don't like any of those designs...

 

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I don't personally care for any of those designs. I do agree that the current reverse is a little "boring" but it's OK. If they are going to change it, I would like to see something other than those designs. What I don't want to see is a annual changing reverse...like the the APE proofs. I just don't care for it.

Also, I would like the denomination to remain as $1.

I'm not opposed to a complete redesign. I'd like to see a classic obverse design resurrected if they were going to make a change though. Maybe a Draped Bust, a Morgan, or a Peace.

 

It doesn't surprise me. The input was probably updated by someone with military experience..............Jacket, Field, Green.......or........Boot, Combat, Black

but how do you explain the fact that the same descriptive packaging and COA has been used since 1986?





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Why would we want to return to an older coin design like the Morgan or the Peace? First and foremost, despite our nostalgia for them today, both designs (the Morgan more than the Peace) were universally disliked at their release. But even beyond that, why wouldn't we want to see the mint pursue a new design that can be embraced by future generations?

I'm not a fan of rotating designs, but that's not what was proposed here.

Personally, I really like the #40 and #41 designs, and I welcome the change, if only to bring a close to the current set from a collecting standpoint. I would support an obverse change as well, but I personally think that the walking liberty design is one of the most beautiful designs the mint has ever released.

 

I understand what you are saying...I just personally like the fact that the ASE and AGE have classic obverse designs. Even though the Morgan and Peace designs were not popular when they were new...they are extremely popular today. I also haven't been overly impressed with recent new designs to come out of the mint.

But, that's just my personal opinion.

 

but that's part of my point. the designs that we don't necessarily like all the designs today doesn't mean that it won't be the beloved design of tomorrow. After all, one need not go back very far to find a lot of folks that didn't think the current ASE design was all that creative or original. mention a change now and people come out of the woodwork to defend it.

 

You make a good point...my big fear is we'd get something like the APE, which I personally don't care for. But maybe long term, that design will be loved. Hard to say.

 

on a side note, I know that the designs in the link above were simply co-opted from previous design ideas, but I'd love to see the mint bump the denomination from a dollar to five dollars, similar to the Canadian mint.

 

Me too. "Silver Five Dollars" just isn't as pretty to say as "silver dollar".

Besides, one of the Gold Eagles is already $5 face, is it not?

 

This is something I disagree with. I'd keep it at $1. For a couple reasons...first there is something classically American about a "silver dollar" and on top of that, one of the gold AGE demoniations (1/10 oz I think) has $5 face value. Plus, the face value of these coins is largely ceremonial anyway because the metal content is SO much more than face either way.

So, I'd leave it alone...but again, that's my personal opinion only.

 

While I personally have little interest in this as a collector, it does interest me as a numismatist. Heres what I think the Mint is up to, or will be shortly;

They know that at least 90% of ASE sales are not collectors, but rather stackers and small time investors, who will year in and year out buy the bullion coin whether it has the same design, a design of Martha Washington on the toilet, or a new design every 22 days. It irrelevant. But, they also are greedy, and would love to attract people who would otherwise never buy a simple bullion coin. Thus they started with the crazy reverse proofs and "special" editions and so forth. I think it's a matter of time before they start treating them like a cheesy commemorative quarter series and changing the design yearly, if not multiple times yearly, with "special" editions for each new design. Before you know it, and this is the part the Mint really loves, collectors who are obsessed with staying current will be forking over thousands of dollars a year to stay up to date, gaining a broader percentage of sales via the collecting community.

Pessimistic? Sure. But, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the US Mint and their sketchy tactics.

 

Honestly, this wouldn't surprise me.

Did they do this with the APE proofs? I have never own an APE, but I thought the proof reverses changed every year.

 

I hadn't considered the fact that the AGE offers a $5 coin...Yeah, I'd keep it at the $1 denomination.

 

You may well be right, and it seems like they've gone down that road a bit with the ASE in general, but the flip side to it is the US Mint HAS to know that the ASE is the most popular product they release each year. Messing with it too much risks losing your customer base versus increasing it. My hope is that they tread lightly with the future changes and respect the role this particular bullion coin plays among American consumers.

 

As far as I can tell they have never proposed changing the denomination. The only reason the design they selected has $5 on it is because it was originally a proposed design for a $5 gold commemorative.

 

Personally, I hate 40. I like 41, 36, and 20. Of course my opinion of 41 is colored by my political opinions. Flags are symbols of oppression. Flags are used to lead gullible young men to their deaths. Liberty is a symbol of freedom. Eagles are a symbol of discernment and strength. I'm fine with liberty and eagles, but I'll leave the worship of a cloth god to others.

 

Out of the 40 or so pieces I like one or two. Honestly if I had any say in the decision I'd keep the current design. It's still a relatively young series and its only starting to be collected as a collector series and not just a bullion series.

 

I think you might have your numbers crossed 41 does not have a flag on it, 40 does.

I think most of the designs look cartoonish and lack any kind of artistic detail. The only design I sort of like is #41.

I don't like the idea of them mimicing old coin designs. Surely we have enough talented artists in this country to come up with something fresh.

 

I've been meaning to elaborate on this. I actually find myself debating, whether to buy the 2013's or just keep the 2000 - 2008 P's plus D's and get rid of the uninspired 2009 - 2012 designs. I think the original reverse was the main attraction for that coin. Now it's a crapshoot.