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<p>[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1729369, member: 22331"]<b>A Matter Of Opinion!!</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This thread seems to accentuate that which I've personally noticed over the years, as an admirer and strong collector of properly "sight seen" A.N.A. standards graded ACG products. Regardless of facts concerning lack of uniform standards for "top tier" TPG, the critics of ACG are quite vocal and seemingly viceral. Supporters of ACG who may have reviewed facts, realize that it's futile to initiate an objective discussion with those who've established a subjective entrenched "opinion". </p><p><br /></p><p>I've posted my objective arguments for a rational discussion about ACG versus other TPG, including images of the same coin graded by ACG and others that were, in my opinion, grossly overgraded. This article posted in cyberspace appears to support my observations:</p><p>"In the May 26, 2003 edition of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_World" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_World" rel="nofollow">Coin World</a>, the hobby newspaper had announced they had contracted investigators to conduct a year-long, comparative study of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCGS" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCGS" rel="nofollow">PCGS</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ACCGS&action=edit&redlink=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ACCGS&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow">ACCGS</a>, NGC (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numismatic_Guaranty_Corporation" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numismatic_Guaranty_Corporation" rel="nofollow">Numismatic Guaranty Corporation</a>) and several other grading services, each known as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_Grader" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_Grader" rel="nofollow">Third Party Grader</a>(TPG). In their investigation, several of the same coins were sent toeach grading service over the course of a year, each graded by allThird Party Graders sent to. Their findings: In no case did the gradingservices agree on the grade of the many coins sent in, and in somecases the difference in grading was seven points off on the standard <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale" rel="nofollow">Sheldon coin grading scale</a>of 1 to 70. The Coin World article cited several cases, such as a casewhere ACCGS had correctly noted that a coin had been cleaned while theother services had overlooked this aspect. ACCGS graded the coinseveral points lower than PCGS, while PCGS had not noted the same coinwas cleaned although it clearly had been, evidenced by wire brushing.This was neither the first nor last time PCGS had failed to note whencoins had been cleaned. In June 1998, PCGS had failed to note on theirholders that thousands of shipwreck coins had been cleaned, althoughthe coins slabbed by PCGS had been encrusted with sea debris andbarnacles, and subsequently cleaned in acid baths prior to grading byPCGS."</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe you'll find numerous civil filings against PCGS. Why not a criminal filing? I believe the general reason is that the standards of proof for individual criminal activity are virtually impossible to achieve when they are protected by the umbrella of incorporation, etc.. It's far easier to distinguish the civil harmful actions, and realize relative justice.</p><p><br /></p><p>It may also be just a matter of time for other TPG. JMHO </p><p><br /></p><p>Gentlemen, load your verbal weapons, as I believe this seemingly biased discussion could subjectively continue Ad Infinitum :thumb:[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="imrich, post: 1729369, member: 22331"][b]A Matter Of Opinion!![/b] This thread seems to accentuate that which I've personally noticed over the years, as an admirer and strong collector of properly "sight seen" A.N.A. standards graded ACG products. Regardless of facts concerning lack of uniform standards for "top tier" TPG, the critics of ACG are quite vocal and seemingly viceral. Supporters of ACG who may have reviewed facts, realize that it's futile to initiate an objective discussion with those who've established a subjective entrenched "opinion". I've posted my objective arguments for a rational discussion about ACG versus other TPG, including images of the same coin graded by ACG and others that were, in my opinion, grossly overgraded. This article posted in cyberspace appears to support my observations: "In the May 26, 2003 edition of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_World"]Coin World[/URL], the hobby newspaper had announced they had contracted investigators to conduct a year-long, comparative study of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCGS"]PCGS[/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ACCGS&action=edit&redlink=1"]ACCGS[/URL], NGC ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numismatic_Guaranty_Corporation"]Numismatic Guaranty Corporation[/URL]) and several other grading services, each known as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_Grader"]Third Party Grader[/URL](TPG). In their investigation, several of the same coins were sent toeach grading service over the course of a year, each graded by allThird Party Graders sent to. Their findings: In no case did the gradingservices agree on the grade of the many coins sent in, and in somecases the difference in grading was seven points off on the standard [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale"]Sheldon coin grading scale[/URL]of 1 to 70. The Coin World article cited several cases, such as a casewhere ACCGS had correctly noted that a coin had been cleaned while theother services had overlooked this aspect. ACCGS graded the coinseveral points lower than PCGS, while PCGS had not noted the same coinwas cleaned although it clearly had been, evidenced by wire brushing.This was neither the first nor last time PCGS had failed to note whencoins had been cleaned. In June 1998, PCGS had failed to note on theirholders that thousands of shipwreck coins had been cleaned, althoughthe coins slabbed by PCGS had been encrusted with sea debris andbarnacles, and subsequently cleaned in acid baths prior to grading byPCGS." I believe you'll find numerous civil filings against PCGS. Why not a criminal filing? I believe the general reason is that the standards of proof for individual criminal activity are virtually impossible to achieve when they are protected by the umbrella of incorporation, etc.. It's far easier to distinguish the civil harmful actions, and realize relative justice. It may also be just a matter of time for other TPG. JMHO Gentlemen, load your verbal weapons, as I believe this seemingly biased discussion could subjectively continue Ad Infinitum :thumb:[/QUOTE]
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