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<p>[QUOTE="Pellinore, post: 4597874, member: 74834"]Here Spengler-Sayles is again helpful, for at the end of the book is an overview of all the picture sides of the general types, and it stands out as SS 30. </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1138713[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>You can quite clearly read the name of the caliph Al-Mustanjid on the right side of the second picture of your coin, so it is Type SS 30.1 and dates from 560-566 AH, which is 1165-1171 AD. The book identifies the prototype of the double portrait as a solidus of Justinus II and Tiberius II (578 AD) and that of the double portrait as a Medusa obol of Eastern Anatolia (SS mention Sear 5524, but that doesn't fit with my Sear). Both ancient coins just were used as inspirations for the modern 12th century designer of the coins, what you see <i>isn't </i>Medusa.</p><p>The theory is that this obverse-reverse combination points to astrology: the portrait of Medusa > Virgo, the double portrait > Gemini, being respectively the Night House and the Day House of the planet Mercury. </p><p><br /></p><p>We should not underestimate that astrology has been of immense importance to the people of ancient times and the Middle Ages. The planet Mercury probably had special interest for Sultan Najm al-din Alpi.</p><p><br /></p><p>The unpublished third volume of the iconography of the Turkoman Figural Bronze Coins probably should have related to these amazing connections. <a href="https://obits.gazette.com/obituaries/gazette/obituary.aspx?n=william-f-spengler&pid=15686941" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://obits.gazette.com/obituaries/gazette/obituary.aspx?n=william-f-spengler&pid=15686941" rel="nofollow">Spengler's death in 2005</a> was probably one of the reasons why the volume was not published. Sayles (one of the founders of The Celator) is still alive.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Pellinore, post: 4597874, member: 74834"]Here Spengler-Sayles is again helpful, for at the end of the book is an overview of all the picture sides of the general types, and it stands out as SS 30. [ATTACH=full]1138713[/ATTACH] You can quite clearly read the name of the caliph Al-Mustanjid on the right side of the second picture of your coin, so it is Type SS 30.1 and dates from 560-566 AH, which is 1165-1171 AD. The book identifies the prototype of the double portrait as a solidus of Justinus II and Tiberius II (578 AD) and that of the double portrait as a Medusa obol of Eastern Anatolia (SS mention Sear 5524, but that doesn't fit with my Sear). Both ancient coins just were used as inspirations for the modern 12th century designer of the coins, what you see [I]isn't [/I]Medusa. The theory is that this obverse-reverse combination points to astrology: the portrait of Medusa > Virgo, the double portrait > Gemini, being respectively the Night House and the Day House of the planet Mercury. We should not underestimate that astrology has been of immense importance to the people of ancient times and the Middle Ages. The planet Mercury probably had special interest for Sultan Najm al-din Alpi. The unpublished third volume of the iconography of the Turkoman Figural Bronze Coins probably should have related to these amazing connections. [URL='https://obits.gazette.com/obituaries/gazette/obituary.aspx?n=william-f-spengler&pid=15686941']Spengler's death in 2005[/URL] was probably one of the reasons why the volume was not published. Sayles (one of the founders of The Celator) is still alive.[/QUOTE]
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