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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2715136, member: 15309&quot;]MALARKEY!&nbsp; It is extremely difficult to artificially tone coins and replicate toning patterns found on naturally toned coins.&nbsp; If it weren&#039;t difficult, the number of rainbow toned coins in TPG plastic would have skyrocketed by now destroying both their rarity, and associated price premium.&nbsp; The truth is that it takes a very skilled coin doctor to get passed the TPGs and even they don&#039;t bat 1.000.&nbsp; The overwhelming majority of coin doctors produce stuff similar to what Travis showed.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The coin graders have no way of knowing the intent of every person who owned the coin when they evaluate it.&nbsp; As such, you can&#039;t use intent as a criteria for determining the originality of toning.&nbsp; Is deliberately placing a coin in a Wayte Raymond holder AT because the owner of the coin knows that those holders produce toning quicker than others?&nbsp; If someone stores their coins in a hot humid attic devoid of the knowledge that the environment will produce toning, are the coins then considered NT?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is a poor excuse and you know it.&nbsp; Furthermore, you hate toned coins and have spent countless hours try to destroy the toned coin market by posting propaganda on the CU forum for over a decade.&nbsp; The easiest way to destroy the toned coin market is to increase the number of AT coins in graded holders so that collectors lose faith in the ability of the TPGs to weed out questionably toned coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are only two reasons not to post &quot;this stuff&quot;.&nbsp; First, you would be publicly admitting to using a deceptive practice that would detrimentally affect your ability to profit from it.&nbsp; This is the reason coin doctors don&#039;t divulge their methods.&nbsp; The second reason is that you can&#039;t actually replicate rainbow toning that would pass muster at the TPGs and are basically blowing smoke.</p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve been on the coin forums for over a decade as well and in all that time, not one person has ever proved that they can successfully replicate market acceptable rainbow toning.&nbsp; Those that claim the skill always hide behind the &quot;proliferation of AT&quot; excuse for not showing their proof.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is a perfect example of why you can&#039;t use intent when grading a coin with respect to toning.&nbsp; You certainly didn&#039;t intend for that Silver Eagle to roll under the safe, but just because the toning formed without your knowledge doesn&#039;t make it natural.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Tmoneyeagles stated correctly that different series and metal compositions develop established toning patterns with common color schemes based on traditional storage methods.&nbsp; For example, bag toning on Morgan Dollars often produce fantastic rainbow toning across one side of the coin.&nbsp; Coins stored in albums like Danscos will often develop target toning.&nbsp; Some classic Commemoratives develop tab toning due to the government packaging.&nbsp; My point is that nobody deliberately stores their coins under a safe in a basement and the toning produced was probably so different from what the graders at the TPGs typically encounter on Silver Eagles that they had no choice but to deem the toning questionable and put the coin in a problem holder.&nbsp; And while you might lament the fact that you didn&#039;t purposefully try to tone that coin, your carelessness in handling the coin caused the improper storage that led to the questionable toning.&nbsp; In other words, your actions created a problem coin, and the TPG graded it as such.&nbsp; So what is the problem?</p><p><br /></p><p>The graders at the TPGs have absolutely no information about the history of the storage conditions of the coin they are grading.&nbsp; And most of the toned coins they grade are decades, if not centuries old.&nbsp; All they can do is look at the toning and decide whether or not the toning fits the accepted patterns and color schemes associated with that type (and year) of coin.&nbsp; It is not black and white, it is a sliding scale.&nbsp; Some coins are easily identifiable as either AT or NT, but there are coins in the middle that are basically a guessing game.&nbsp; I made this example years ago using Jefferson Nickels.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels%20Raw/ToningScale.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels%20Raw/ToningScaleFirst.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Jefferson%20Nickels%20Raw/ToningScaleLast.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The point of this graphic is to show how different coins present a problem to the graders.&nbsp; The far left coin will get bagged for questionable toning 10 out of 10 times.&nbsp; The far right coin will grade problem free 10 out of 10 times.&nbsp; But what about the 1963 with the Borderline QT/MA tag, how often will that grade problem free?&nbsp; The coin currently resides in an MS67* holder but if I cracked it out and resubmitted it, my guess is that it doesn&#039;t grade more than 20% of the time.&nbsp; While Jefferson Nickels can exhibit pretty dramatic toning, the pattern and color scheme on this coin don&#039;t match with what is usually found on album toned Jeffersons.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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