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<p>[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2713926, member: 17557"][USER=73301]@JAY-AR[/USER] I'm not comfortable giving a solid answer with the amount of exposure in your pictures. With those pictures, I'd call it QT--questionably toned--leaning towards natural. Switch up your lighting set up a bit, don't have all the light focusing right on the focal point. Look how bright the cheek is compared to the rest of the coin--spread the light around. If this isn't possible (i.e. you only have one bulb that you're using) use different angles to give us a better idea of the in-hand appearance.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Malarkey! There are common patterns of coloration that certain metals and coin series can undergo in the right natural conditions, with no coin doctor required. There is a distinct difference in the colors that appear from a mint set that has toned in a sulfur envelope versus the same coins that are thrown into a potato inside of an oven.</p><p><br /></p><p>To the trained eye the effects can be obvious. Here's what a quick eBay search yielded--all these fall firmly into the AT camp, and they're all raw, and all from the same seller--imagine that. (I'm not accusing the seller of being a coin doctor, but his inventory is filled with raw toned coins that all bear a similar toning pattern. That's a recipe for all the coins being AT at the very least. It should be noted that he does, however, have some NT examples, and makes it a point to list them as being naturally toned as well). </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-TONED-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-NO-RESERVE-/262933255466?hash=item3d380b152a:g:P1UAAOSwc-tY7WvT" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-TONED-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-NO-RESERVE-/262933255466?hash=item3d380b152a:g:P1UAAOSwc-tY7WvT" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-TONED-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-NO-RESERVE-/262933255466?hash=item3d380b152a:g:P1UAAOSwc-tY7WvT</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/mUbpCFV.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/lZEuw8g.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-Superb-Silver-Coin-Toned-NO-RESERVE-/282429911800?hash=item41c22272f8:g:7iEAAOSwU8hY7VHb" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-Superb-Silver-Coin-Toned-NO-RESERVE-/282429911800?hash=item41c22272f8:g:7iEAAOSwU8hY7VHb" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-Superb-Silver-Coin-Toned-NO-RESERVE-/282429911800?hash=item41c22272f8:g:7iEAAOSwU8hY7VHb</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/DWgh4Ly.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/ytIOUww.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-P-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-Toned-No-Reserve-/142348264297?hash=item21249e2369:g:A1sAAOSwmgJY7~81" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-P-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-Toned-No-Reserve-/142348264297?hash=item21249e2369:g:A1sAAOSwmgJY7~81" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-P-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-Toned-No-Reserve-/142348264297?hash=item21249e2369:g:A1sAAOSwmgJY7~81</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/SIQc0TY.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="http://i.imgur.com/6IgkhRw.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Regardless of what a TPG would say about any of those coins, if one were to send them in and if they were graded and not BB'd, they'd still be AT. Those patterns of coloration are not natural to any coin series that I'm aware, and show variations of the effects reaped by adding heat to a coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here are two threads over at CU where sunnywood explains the natural color progression cycles quite well.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708296/towards-an-understanding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708296/towards-an-understanding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins" rel="nofollow">https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708296/towards-an-understanding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/716279/a-color-chart-for-the-thin-film-color-progression" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/716279/a-color-chart-for-the-thin-film-color-progression" rel="nofollow">https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/716279/a-color-chart-for-the-thin-film-color-progression</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a thread here at CT by Jason Poe that explains the same basic concept </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-science-of-toning.84670/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-science-of-toning.84670/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-science-of-toning.84670/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>There most certainly is a degree of objectivity to what is AT or NT, more than grading, in my opinion. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe this is a dead horse for you, but why haven't you published your results? In a numismatic journal or otherwise? If you have a thread or detailed post over at CU concerning your experiments, I'd be much obliged to the link. </p><p><br /></p><p>As to your other points, I'll agree. Some AT coins are in top tier TPG slabs, and sometimes even the best of us have difficulty with identifying them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="tmoneyeagles, post: 2713926, member: 17557"][USER=73301]@JAY-AR[/USER] I'm not comfortable giving a solid answer with the amount of exposure in your pictures. With those pictures, I'd call it QT--questionably toned--leaning towards natural. Switch up your lighting set up a bit, don't have all the light focusing right on the focal point. Look how bright the cheek is compared to the rest of the coin--spread the light around. If this isn't possible (i.e. you only have one bulb that you're using) use different angles to give us a better idea of the in-hand appearance. Malarkey! There are common patterns of coloration that certain metals and coin series can undergo in the right natural conditions, with no coin doctor required. There is a distinct difference in the colors that appear from a mint set that has toned in a sulfur envelope versus the same coins that are thrown into a potato inside of an oven. To the trained eye the effects can be obvious. Here's what a quick eBay search yielded--all these fall firmly into the AT camp, and they're all raw, and all from the same seller--imagine that. (I'm not accusing the seller of being a coin doctor, but his inventory is filled with raw toned coins that all bear a similar toning pattern. That's a recipe for all the coins being AT at the very least. It should be noted that he does, however, have some NT examples, and makes it a point to list them as being naturally toned as well). [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-TONED-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-NO-RESERVE-/262933255466?hash=item3d380b152a:g:P1UAAOSwc-tY7WvT[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/mUbpCFV.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lZEuw8g.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-P-Peace-Dollar-Superb-Silver-Coin-Toned-NO-RESERVE-/282429911800?hash=item41c22272f8:g:7iEAAOSwU8hY7VHb[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/DWgh4Ly.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ytIOUww.jpg[/IMG] [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-P-Peace-Dollar-VERY-NICE-Silver-Coin-Toned-No-Reserve-/142348264297?hash=item21249e2369:g:A1sAAOSwmgJY7~81[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SIQc0TY.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6IgkhRw.jpg[/IMG] Regardless of what a TPG would say about any of those coins, if one were to send them in and if they were graded and not BB'd, they'd still be AT. Those patterns of coloration are not natural to any coin series that I'm aware, and show variations of the effects reaped by adding heat to a coin. Here are two threads over at CU where sunnywood explains the natural color progression cycles quite well. [url]https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/708296/towards-an-understanding-of-the-color-progression-on-toned-coins[/url] [url]https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/716279/a-color-chart-for-the-thin-film-color-progression[/url] Here's a thread here at CT by Jason Poe that explains the same basic concept [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-science-of-toning.84670/[/url] There most certainly is a degree of objectivity to what is AT or NT, more than grading, in my opinion. Maybe this is a dead horse for you, but why haven't you published your results? In a numismatic journal or otherwise? If you have a thread or detailed post over at CU concerning your experiments, I'd be much obliged to the link. As to your other points, I'll agree. Some AT coins are in top tier TPG slabs, and sometimes even the best of us have difficulty with identifying them.[/QUOTE]
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