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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Drusus, post: 685965, member: 6370&quot;]It probably matters to people who collect them as they are paying more money for coins, in the end, that are doctored...not cleaning, conserved...but truly doctored to take advantage of someone who is willing to pay more for them. they probably feel like they have been taken advantage of as they don&#039;t want coins that were doctored but natural...so it probably matter as much to them as a not getting a coin that was clean matters to some collectors even if they cant say for sure it was cleaned....if the suspect they wont buy or they will feel like someone slipped something by them, even if they can even say for sure it was but just suspect.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Here is my take and I am sure people might not agree. I also think that nobody can say for sure if a coin has been purposefully toned, just like I am sure that those people who claim up and down a cleaned coin can always be detected are wrong, they just THINK they can....or convince themselves they can to make themselves feel better...like the talk of the market consequences if people start to question peoples ability to spot natural from fake...thats no reason to pretend you can, the market will stand or fall but to pretend one can tell the difference just to keep it going is dishonest. This is the reason I would never PAY MORE for toned coins. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I have seen coins I know for certain were natural toned, that is, toned in about 60-70 years of sitting in a drawer and maybe another 150 where the coins where abouts are unknown. these coins were not toned when they came into my families possession, after many decades they show a light haze of color hardly visible...but under light at an angle the color is very apparent. These coins I KNOW were not treated. I have also had my own coins tone with a little color in my possession, again, decades produced a very light color toning.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>It came to mind that out of thousands of coins that I own...only a small handful toned with any color and that was just a HINT of color after 60+ years. It came to mind that a coin sitting in a hot drawer with no protection in a humid envronment (houston) took 60+ years just to develop a very light haze of color...on just a few of the coins, not all. I decided then that rainbow toning takes quite a long time to develop naturally unless the coin is exposed to harsher conditions right for a more rapid toning.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Now I am not saying that this gawd awful tie dye look doesnt develop naturally...my opinion is, under normal conditions, sitting exposed in a drawer in a normal house, even in a place that is humid and hot...it would take some time still. I go on eBay and I look at peoples collections and there just seems to be an endless supply of brightly colored rainbow coins of all types...if you asked me to pick out the ones that were natural...I couldn&#039;t...but there are certainly people out there who freely admit they are creating these coins and distributing them in bulk. I would think, depending on the age of the coin, the natural toned coins would be the lightly toned coins for coins maybe 100 years on or less (from my experience it takes this long from a coin to develop light color toning...and the rainbow might become more and more pronounced as it goes along. Then you take into account those who WERE subjected to harsher conditions that WOULD cause a faster toning...like a coin found in an hot attic after 150 years...I would think this would be a smaller percentage of the whole...all the rest of those bright rainbow coins are faked....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also, I think toning is a science...metal has certain properties and it react in a certain way...it is reproducible and certainly one can effect that process by speeding it up or slowing it down...but metal WILL react as it should...there is no surprises...if you introduce something new into the equation then certainly you might get a surprise...but you can tone a silver coin the same way every time and get the same results every time...as the properties will always remain the same and the reaction will always be the same...its the way of the natural world that metal has properties, metal reacts more or less depending on what it is exposed to...no shock or surprises...you want to speed up the process...there are ways...slow it down...again...there are ways...but unless something new is introduced or it is introduced in a new way...the results are completely predictable...I am sure more people here know how to produce a coin that looks like any of the toned coins shown here.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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