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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 685916, member: 112"]For as long as internet coin forums have existed I have been telling people that there is no definitve way to tell NT from AT. Most ignored it, many denied it, very, very few believed it. And I have also said - if you can't tell, does it matter ?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is not some new discovery. It is a group of people who think they are experts on toned coins. I submit to you that there is no such thing. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can say for certain that a given coin was artificially toned or naturally toned. And no I don't include those obvious examples that look painted on.</p><p><br /></p><p>And tell me this, I would guess that fully 90% of the coins discussed in that thread were judged on the basis of pictures. Now just about everybody who was doing the judging are among the first to scream holy murder when somebody tries to grade a coin based on pictures. Telling you that it can't be done, telling you that you should trust the TPG's assessment because they had the coin in hand and you don't. </p><p><br /></p><p>Not a single person made even 1 comment that pictures were being used to base judgement upon. Not a single person said anything about trusting the assessment of the TPG who had viewed the coins in hand. Does this not seem slightly odd ? </p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, I know, some of these folks have a small fortune tied up in toned coins. And they are worried that the prices will fall through the floor if it is discovered that coin doctors can AT coins that can't be told from the real thing. </p><p><br /></p><p>Well I'm sorry, but that was discovered a loooooooong time ago. The only thing that is different is that apparently some folks are finally, finally, beginning to believe it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now I will repeat one more time - if you can't tell, does it matter ?</p><p><br /></p><p>I wonder if that is ever going to sink in.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 685916, member: 112"]For as long as internet coin forums have existed I have been telling people that there is no definitve way to tell NT from AT. Most ignored it, many denied it, very, very few believed it. And I have also said - if you can't tell, does it matter ? This is not some new discovery. It is a group of people who think they are experts on toned coins. I submit to you that there is no such thing. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can say for certain that a given coin was artificially toned or naturally toned. And no I don't include those obvious examples that look painted on. And tell me this, I would guess that fully 90% of the coins discussed in that thread were judged on the basis of pictures. Now just about everybody who was doing the judging are among the first to scream holy murder when somebody tries to grade a coin based on pictures. Telling you that it can't be done, telling you that you should trust the TPG's assessment because they had the coin in hand and you don't. Not a single person made even 1 comment that pictures were being used to base judgement upon. Not a single person said anything about trusting the assessment of the TPG who had viewed the coins in hand. Does this not seem slightly odd ? Yeah, I know, some of these folks have a small fortune tied up in toned coins. And they are worried that the prices will fall through the floor if it is discovered that coin doctors can AT coins that can't be told from the real thing. Well I'm sorry, but that was discovered a loooooooong time ago. The only thing that is different is that apparently some folks are finally, finally, beginning to believe it. Now I will repeat one more time - if you can't tell, does it matter ? I wonder if that is ever going to sink in.[/QUOTE]
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