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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 685615, member: 15309"]First things first. This is not the same seller as the one in the TCCS thread. Richard (Greattoning) is a very good E-Bay seller of toned coins. I believe he juices his photos a tad, but no to an unreasonable level. That is to say, the photos still look like the coins. The seller in the TCCS forum is Nicetoning42107 and his name is Alex.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the coins. Nothing other than the price tag on the Morgan bothers me. I know PL Morgans are rare with monster color, but $3K is a lot of money for an MS64 common date Morgan.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding the Washington Quarter, it seems you are concerned about the apparent differences in the color with respect to the photos. I am not 100% certain, but my educated guess is that different lighting is the cause of the difference. The blown up photo shows luster and was probably taken with two direct overhead lights positioned at 10 & 2. The lights would have hit the slab and caused a reflection but not over the coin. He then cropped the photo and cut out the reflection. In the slab photo, he couldn't capture the color and avoid reflection on the slab. Since the lights were probably impairing the label, he used diffused lighting to take the slab photo. This is what causes the colors to appear different and completely eliminates the appearance of luster. Here is an example of how diffused lighting can make the same coin look very, very different.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1958NGCMS66Star.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1958NGCMS66StarH.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The colors of this Washington quarter don't bother me at all. I have a 1964-D Washington with almost the same color scheme. The toning is iridescent and very difficult to capture in a photo, but I think it will demonstrate my point.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1964-DNGCMS651.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know the personal financial situation of this dealer or how much reserve capital he has. What I do know is that he has had a rainbow toned Gobrecht for sale for over two years in his inventory. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1836-PCGS-PR64-Original-Align-Rainbow-Toned-Gobrecht_W0QQitemZ230286281319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual%3Fhash%3Ditem359e21ca67%26_trksid%3Dp3911.c0.m14" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1836-PCGS-PR64-Original-Align-Rainbow-Toned-Gobrecht_W0QQitemZ230286281319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual%3Fhash%3Ditem359e21ca67%26_trksid%3Dp3911.c0.m14" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1836-PCGS-PR64-Original-Align-Rainbow-Toned-Gobrecht_W0QQitemZ230286281319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item359e21ca67&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I doubt a $3K coin is hurting his cash flow. His auctions consistently realize the highest prices of any toned coin dealer on E-Bay, bar none. My guess is that people line up to consign coins to him. In fact, if his photos were better, I would consign my coins to his auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't think the TPG's are being fooled at a higher rate than they have been before. A certain percentage of AT coins have always gotten by the TPG's and that will always be the case. If you accept that as a fact and then judge the toning of each slabbed coin for yourself, you will have a much better shot at ensuring you purchase NT coins than if you rely completely on the TPG's. However, you could always take the position that I take: put the burden on the accuser to show indisputable proof that the coin is AT. If they can't, which they can't, then I will take the opinion of the TPG over them any day of the week.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 685615, member: 15309"]First things first. This is not the same seller as the one in the TCCS thread. Richard (Greattoning) is a very good E-Bay seller of toned coins. I believe he juices his photos a tad, but no to an unreasonable level. That is to say, the photos still look like the coins. The seller in the TCCS forum is Nicetoning42107 and his name is Alex. As for the coins. Nothing other than the price tag on the Morgan bothers me. I know PL Morgans are rare with monster color, but $3K is a lot of money for an MS64 common date Morgan. Regarding the Washington Quarter, it seems you are concerned about the apparent differences in the color with respect to the photos. I am not 100% certain, but my educated guess is that different lighting is the cause of the difference. The blown up photo shows luster and was probably taken with two direct overhead lights positioned at 10 & 2. The lights would have hit the slab and caused a reflection but not over the coin. He then cropped the photo and cut out the reflection. In the slab photo, he couldn't capture the color and avoid reflection on the slab. Since the lights were probably impairing the label, he used diffused lighting to take the slab photo. This is what causes the colors to appear different and completely eliminates the appearance of luster. Here is an example of how diffused lighting can make the same coin look very, very different. [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1958NGCMS66Star.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1958NGCMS66StarH.jpg[/IMG] The colors of this Washington quarter don't bother me at all. I have a 1964-D Washington with almost the same color scheme. The toning is iridescent and very difficult to capture in a photo, but I think it will demonstrate my point. [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Washington%20Quarters/WashingtonQuarter1964-DNGCMS651.jpg[/IMG] I don't know the personal financial situation of this dealer or how much reserve capital he has. What I do know is that he has had a rainbow toned Gobrecht for sale for over two years in his inventory. [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2F1836-PCGS-PR64-Original-Align-Rainbow-Toned-Gobrecht_W0QQitemZ230286281319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual%3Fhash%3Ditem359e21ca67%26_trksid%3Dp3911.c0.m14"]http://cgi.ebay.com/1836-PCGS-PR64-Original-Align-Rainbow-Toned-Gobrecht_W0QQitemZ230286281319QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item359e21ca67&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14[/URL] I doubt a $3K coin is hurting his cash flow. His auctions consistently realize the highest prices of any toned coin dealer on E-Bay, bar none. My guess is that people line up to consign coins to him. In fact, if his photos were better, I would consign my coins to his auctions. I don't think the TPG's are being fooled at a higher rate than they have been before. A certain percentage of AT coins have always gotten by the TPG's and that will always be the case. If you accept that as a fact and then judge the toning of each slabbed coin for yourself, you will have a much better shot at ensuring you purchase NT coins than if you rely completely on the TPG's. However, you could always take the position that I take: put the burden on the accuser to show indisputable proof that the coin is AT. If they can't, which they can't, then I will take the opinion of the TPG over them any day of the week.[/QUOTE]
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