Arrived today 1964-D Peace Dollar by Daniel Carr

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by dwhiz, Sep 29, 2010.

  1. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    If you keep posting offensive statements and lies, nobody will bother reading anything you say.

    These are genuine US Mint Peace dollars that are altered (re-faced) to look like a similar coin - but a coin that was never released by the US Government. The original 1964 Peace Silver Dollars don't exist (according to the Government they were ALL destroyed), and if somehow they did, they would be illegal to own. So if a collector wanted a "1964" Peace Silver Dollar, the only way to get one legally would be to buy a re-creation of some sort. If a "hobo" nickel carver carved a "1939" date on a Buffalo Nickel, they wouldn't legally have to stamp the coin "copy". It could also be legally sold for more than face value.

    Years ago, the Gallery Mint in Arkansas produced numerous replicas of early US Coins, all marked "copy". But note that they made accurate replicas of coins that actually exist in the numismatic marketplace. And they weren't modifiying similar-type genuine host coins, they were creating the replicas out of anonymous pieces of silver that were not legally monetized by the US Treasury. I'm using genuine legal-tender dollar coins and altering them to show a date that does not exist in the numismatic marketplace.
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  3. rawbuyer

    rawbuyer Member

    can someone PLEASE tell me the purpose of someone making this 1964 peace dollar?? who does it serve...oh, i know, the person selling it to an unsuspecting new collector!
  4. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    I think you are over-reacting; no one buying one of these is an unsuspecting new collector.
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I think the poster is referring to an unsuspecting buyer in the future. Please do not forget how much unmarked fakes hurt the hobby long term. I have seen at least 50 of the cereal box 1960's Jewish coin giveaways, and the person bringing it to me always gets mad and think coin colelctors are all thieves when I tell them they are valueless. These things will be around FOREVER, and my grandkid will have to tell someone their 64 d they inherited from granddad is a fake. This will cause more badmouthing of coin collectors.
  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I completely agree that such comments have no place here.

    To Dcarr, I disagree. Why was a 1964d fake made? Because people know they used to exist, (and still may, the US denied 1933 Double Eagles existed). That is why I think it is a forgery, altered, whatever you want to call it, but it falls under the Hobby Protection Act. Therefor it has to be marked COPY. Altering any official US coin to change the date or mintmark HAS to fall under this Act, or the Act is meaningless. Are you making the argument that "since a 1909 s coin was used, its perfectly acceptable for someone to add a VDB and not put COPY on it"? Or how about changing a 1944d to a 1914d? Same thing. The intent of the Act was to make all forgeries, alterations, etc illegal. For the hobby to allow this kind of "minting" is shameful, and we shall reap what we sow if we allow it.
  7. rawbuyer

    rawbuyer Member

    Great comments!
  8. rawbuyer

    rawbuyer Member

    What is this guy charging for these "coins" ??
  9. robec

    robec Junior Member

    Why the need to make such mean spirited comments?

    Forgery laws aren't new. I mean they have been around for years. The Hobby Protection Act has been around for almost 40 years. I'm pretty sure both have been involved in court cases in the past. If this occurrence, which is well documented and publicized extensively in message boards and coin publications, is such a flagrant violator why hasn't the government stepped in to either stop production or arrest Mr. Carr for forgery? If this is such a slam dunk case, where are the lawsuits?
  10. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    What were the "1960's Jewish coin giveaways?"
  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Cereal boxes distributed replicas of ancient Jewish coins in the 1960's. I cannot remember what brand. This is the source of a lot of "estate" fake ancient Jewish coins. Since I was the only ancient collector in my old coin club, at shows anyone with ancient coins were directed to me, and I never saw one authentic ancient Jewish coin. It got so bad I started bringing authentic ones all of the time to show people the differences.
  12. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    Wow!! Was this in the states, or in Israel? What was the point?
  13. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    In the US. They were just freebies in the box, like the toys and stuff still found in there. I have seen at least 4 different designs. They are cast, and easy to spot if you have ever seen a real one. The point was these were never made to fool anyone, and are still around. Every one I ever get my hands on I stamp COPY onto so no one will be fooled by it in the future. What about these 1964d's? I will bet someone 30 years from now will pay large money unwittingly believing they are real. We as coin collectors will pay the price for Daniel Carr, as we should if we do nothing about this.
  14. Texas John

    Texas John Collector of oddments

    I think it was Trix. After all, they've had that tag line - Silly rabbi, Trix are for kids - for a long time.

  15. rawbuyer

    rawbuyer Member

    how much are the so called "peace dollars"??
  16. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    That is a great question.
  17. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    My objection, is with the TV coin show hawkers and their techniques in marketing this item to their viewing public, using descriptives such as " Genuine" , "Rare" etc. You get the picture. It's intentionally misleading. I don't believe Mr. Carr and this creation was ever intended to mislead or defraud anyone, and he has not broken any laws, according to the legal professionals.
  18. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    You could look at the pic of the OP & get the info of where they came from & look it up yourself - or simply google Daniel Carr & 1964-d Peace.
  19. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Me thinks he secretly wants one.....:)
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Maybe a 1964 Franklin half or 1931 Standing Liberty Quarter? Both of those have been rumored to exist. 1873-S no arrows half or 1873-S standard silver dollar. They struck both of those and not a single one is known today. Supposedly all melted down.

    There are a great many laws on the books that the government doesn't bother to enforce. Or enforce selectively.
  21. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    The 1873-S Liberty Seated Silver Dollar is definitely a gray area. Could some exist ? Perhaps.

    For most coins that are not known to exist, the Mint simply omits their mention in reports, implying that they don't exist. For example, a 1933 quarter.

    However, there are only a few coins where the US Treasury (US Mint) has come out and explicity stated that none exist. The 1964-D Peace Dollars are one such coin:
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