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<p>[QUOTE="Kasia, post: 2363971, member: 31533"]I won't quote your post because it is so painful to read (mainly because of run on sentences and changes in thought and little to no punctuation on those run on sentences). Without being mean 'to you', I have to say that whether I go to ebay and to about.com to tell them of their errors would imply that I am surfing those sites just to find something to correct, and that is so totally not the case. It isn't even worth my time or effort to do something of the sort. Ebay is known for having a bunch of mis-labeled and even fake (counterfeit, gasp!) items for sale and Ebay doesn't really care. About.com, in my opinion, as I stated before is pretty much run by kindergartners regarding the level of their content and original material. But perhaps another analogy would work better: about.com has the content and readability as a Ladies Home Journal article. I may say that in general, they are not printing false articles, but by the same token, little to no real journalism or investigation or looking to experts is being done in generating the articles I would be thinking of. By the same token, about.com is a site that tries to be the go-to place for all information, ala wikipedia, but with more commericality. Anyways, that is their modus operandi, so it would fruitless to spend my time reading all their pages, looking to correct some information because it is not technically true (when you truly look at all the things going on) or because they are only being correct enough to play to the masses.</p><p><br /></p><p>But this site is different. It is a site where there are many levels of ability and knowledge in one subject (numismatics) that allows people to come together and both enjoy the hobby and learn new things. I perfectly think you do have the right to have your own opinion, but if it is putting things out there that could stand to be corrected so that others reading the thread will understand better, then it is worth speaking up. Ebay and about.com don't have that draw for me. Even suggesting that if I don't do that, then I should maybe not have any right to say something here is illogical and has no bearing here.</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as your cited snow on the roof coin where you can't see the major die breaks (and then label that chips, in capitalized letters), you are still confusing the differences that can be known about this process. In some ways it is not so much you that needs to be corrected, but others who are reading and learning here. In the most general sense, any missing metal from a die at any time in it's operation could be classified as a die break. Obviously, because the die had a 'break' in it. With that line of thought, all polishing marks could be classified as a die break, because the surface of the die was 'broken'. But die break is a term that implies that the die is actually breaking or in the beginning process of breaking up due to stresses. A die chip, on the other hand, is a break in the die, usually of a very small nature, such as less than four square millimeters in area. Anything less than one square mm is not called a die break, but is called a die chip. And just because a die chips in a place or two doesn't mean that it's lifetime that die will continue to have a bigger chip or will break up. If you choose not to be as correct as you can in classifying things like this because it makes you happy to call things what you feel like calling them, then that's fine with me. But you won't have a lot of people on your side helping you learn when they recognize that you are either reluctant to learn and absorb new things that are out of your current knowledge (because you already have a term you are using for it) or impervious to having someone telling you that it is a incorrect term. </p><p><br /></p><p>I am giving you respect in my words here, I have not been disrespectful to you in any iota nor have I not been courteous to you. The simple act of telling someone on this forum that they are wrong is not a facet of 'not giving someone respect'. Giving you the courtesy and respect for you to hold your own opinion (wrong though it may be) and put it up for all to see, does not hinge on others ignoring it or not commenting. It is an illusion that someone has to shut up and be withholding their opinions on facts in order to be courteous and respectful. Even telling me I have to respect your right to disagree with me implies that something is wrong on my part for speaking up, but nothing is wrong on your part for having an opinion you want to hold on to. Have you thought about respecting my right to say what is true that I know of? I don't see that that has played into the comments I see from you, as it is still all about you and your rights you are insinuating are not respected.</p><p><br /></p><p>I can conclude that we both disagree about this (die break vs die chip, etc) but with all due respect, other numismatists who are learning here and come across a thread that may allow them to learn the difference in appearance between a die break or a die chip, which is defined due primarily to the size of the missing metal, should have the opportunity to clearly see examples of it and be able to recognize where to draw the line in labeling.</p><p><br /></p><p>By all means, have fun collecting. It's what most of the people on here actually do. Just be aware that when you post, you are also, to some extent representing a person who is teaching others (not yourself) what they lack. If you or anyone here comes on and says incorrect things, then it opens it up to being corrected. And if someone corrects someone and that person is not correct for correcting them, then it opens that person up to being corrected. Nothing discourteous or disrespectful to a person in this.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Kasia, post: 2363971, member: 31533"]I won't quote your post because it is so painful to read (mainly because of run on sentences and changes in thought and little to no punctuation on those run on sentences). Without being mean 'to you', I have to say that whether I go to ebay and to about.com to tell them of their errors would imply that I am surfing those sites just to find something to correct, and that is so totally not the case. It isn't even worth my time or effort to do something of the sort. Ebay is known for having a bunch of mis-labeled and even fake (counterfeit, gasp!) items for sale and Ebay doesn't really care. About.com, in my opinion, as I stated before is pretty much run by kindergartners regarding the level of their content and original material. But perhaps another analogy would work better: about.com has the content and readability as a Ladies Home Journal article. I may say that in general, they are not printing false articles, but by the same token, little to no real journalism or investigation or looking to experts is being done in generating the articles I would be thinking of. By the same token, about.com is a site that tries to be the go-to place for all information, ala wikipedia, but with more commericality. Anyways, that is their modus operandi, so it would fruitless to spend my time reading all their pages, looking to correct some information because it is not technically true (when you truly look at all the things going on) or because they are only being correct enough to play to the masses. But this site is different. It is a site where there are many levels of ability and knowledge in one subject (numismatics) that allows people to come together and both enjoy the hobby and learn new things. I perfectly think you do have the right to have your own opinion, but if it is putting things out there that could stand to be corrected so that others reading the thread will understand better, then it is worth speaking up. Ebay and about.com don't have that draw for me. Even suggesting that if I don't do that, then I should maybe not have any right to say something here is illogical and has no bearing here. As far as your cited snow on the roof coin where you can't see the major die breaks (and then label that chips, in capitalized letters), you are still confusing the differences that can be known about this process. In some ways it is not so much you that needs to be corrected, but others who are reading and learning here. In the most general sense, any missing metal from a die at any time in it's operation could be classified as a die break. Obviously, because the die had a 'break' in it. With that line of thought, all polishing marks could be classified as a die break, because the surface of the die was 'broken'. But die break is a term that implies that the die is actually breaking or in the beginning process of breaking up due to stresses. A die chip, on the other hand, is a break in the die, usually of a very small nature, such as less than four square millimeters in area. Anything less than one square mm is not called a die break, but is called a die chip. And just because a die chips in a place or two doesn't mean that it's lifetime that die will continue to have a bigger chip or will break up. If you choose not to be as correct as you can in classifying things like this because it makes you happy to call things what you feel like calling them, then that's fine with me. But you won't have a lot of people on your side helping you learn when they recognize that you are either reluctant to learn and absorb new things that are out of your current knowledge (because you already have a term you are using for it) or impervious to having someone telling you that it is a incorrect term. I am giving you respect in my words here, I have not been disrespectful to you in any iota nor have I not been courteous to you. The simple act of telling someone on this forum that they are wrong is not a facet of 'not giving someone respect'. Giving you the courtesy and respect for you to hold your own opinion (wrong though it may be) and put it up for all to see, does not hinge on others ignoring it or not commenting. It is an illusion that someone has to shut up and be withholding their opinions on facts in order to be courteous and respectful. Even telling me I have to respect your right to disagree with me implies that something is wrong on my part for speaking up, but nothing is wrong on your part for having an opinion you want to hold on to. Have you thought about respecting my right to say what is true that I know of? I don't see that that has played into the comments I see from you, as it is still all about you and your rights you are insinuating are not respected. I can conclude that we both disagree about this (die break vs die chip, etc) but with all due respect, other numismatists who are learning here and come across a thread that may allow them to learn the difference in appearance between a die break or a die chip, which is defined due primarily to the size of the missing metal, should have the opportunity to clearly see examples of it and be able to recognize where to draw the line in labeling. By all means, have fun collecting. It's what most of the people on here actually do. Just be aware that when you post, you are also, to some extent representing a person who is teaching others (not yourself) what they lack. If you or anyone here comes on and says incorrect things, then it opens it up to being corrected. And if someone corrects someone and that person is not correct for correcting them, then it opens that person up to being corrected. Nothing discourteous or disrespectful to a person in this.[/QUOTE]
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