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No, it doesn't. I will not argue with you either way, but making such statements based only on conjecture helps no one.

 

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Well let's put it this way many un proof like characteristics doubtful color and surfaces a rare date of the most commonly faked coin out there ungraded on fee bay from an unproven seller I'd run not walk in the other direction

 

I've studied trade dollars as one of my foremost interests I collect the series and I don't believe this coin for a second my initial thought from the second I saw it was it wasn't right that's just my opinion take it or leave it

 

There is much about this coin, even in the horrid photos, that is right and should not be so easily dismissed in favor of perceived circumstantial evidence, particular by one who has studied the type.

You are; of course, more than welcome to your opinion, but with all due respect, at this point it is just that... an opinion.

 

Whats the old saying? It it looks too good to be true....

 

i agree. i thought that the coin looked like a fake from the moment that i clicked on the link.

 

I have to agree with BooksB4coins on this one , though valid points were made by Mainbill as 99% of proof Trades are like he said , but we don't know what happened to this coin after it was minted . Also did anyone check my link , it has the same issues as the ops coin .

 

Why?

 

If by any chance it's real which I've spoken my opinion on it is an over cleaned polished whizzed or otherwise damaged coin that wouldn't grade is why it's not in a slab

 

I honestly don't see any signs of altered surfaces. I don't subscribe to the belief that all high dollar non-slabbed coins online are problem coins. That said, I wouldn't bet $1850 that this one isn't problem free and authentic.

I don't see anything wrong with this coin other than Trade Dollars are highly counterfeited and the seller has low feedback. Are those enough to avoid it? For me, yes. But, that's really all I see here.

 

To me it has no proof like characteristics no patina or toning blast white color without cartwheel luster it looks to me like brand new silver it has none of the surface quality of a problem free uncirculated or proof trade my eye and my gut both tell me there's something really wrong with this coin I wouldn't buy it or reccomend it for any price is only my opinoin and I know everyone has one

 

It does have a little patina...around the edges. I agree...that it does look blast white but all that means is it has probably been dipped. The photos are angled and who knows what or where the light source is so you might lose luster in the photo.

The rims do look squared like a proof though.

I agree this auction screams problem...but I just don't see anything wrong with the coin. I understand, your opinion differs from mine. That's cool...I just personally don't see it.

Again, despite that...I wouldn't have bought the coin either.

 

Honestly I'd love an 1877 proof trade one of my long term goals is all the collectible trades in proof (only got one so far) and even more I'd like a problem free proof 1877 trade for $1850 but I don't want this one for any price I admit I can be opinionated and I can be selective and the only coins I love more than trades is early dollars and early large cents and as far as a trade dollar goes if I can't hold in hand and there's anything that smells the least bit fishy I run the other way if I can inspect the coin in person I have zero problem buying a raw trade every one I've ever bought raw and sent in graded clean (I've bought a couple usually in lots with cleaning or other problems I didn't send in just sold em cheap as problem but real coins

 

AMEN!!!!!

 

With you on the rim looking like a proof the strike looks business tho and the surface neither if real may have been an Over cleaned pl business strike still to. Me there's something that just don't fit on this coin granted if it weren't a raw trade on sleeze bay I'd be less suspicious I'd never like or trust the color tho

 

I really think it's real at 90 to 10 . They have everything correct for a '77 Proof from the crooked tail on the sinister side to the correct types for the obverse and reverse , the detail is as good (IMHO)Than the 1877 Pr-65 in the link I gave to the squared and sharp edges . Could it be fake , yes . I'm also glad that this thread has turned into a discussion where we can all learn a thing or two about this most counterfeited coin .

 

You're absolutely correct; there is too much right about this coin to simply dismiss, without further evidence, as a fake. This, of course, is not to say that anyone should be willing to buy such a coin offered in a similar listing (I wouldn't and if asked, would advise others not to do so), but there is no correlation between not wanting to buy a certain coin for valid reasons and labeling it a fake because of questionable aspects.

If I may add to your post, sir:

-Color: beyond obvious dipping, we only have the seller's very poor photos to work with, so it would be a mistake to place too much weight into what is unverifiable.

-Problem/issues: this also goes back to the photos. I, not for a moment believe that the seller was unable to image this coin in another, more preferable way, and assume that the poor images were provided for very good reason. Again, this is something that, just because we may not be able to see clearly see them, does not mean problems are not present.

Now, with what you've said above and what I did in an earlier post, we must ask ourselves if a counterfeiter would be able to get so much right, why would he overlook such a trivial and easily correctable aspect such as not polishing the fields. While this is possible, it is not probable. If we wish to have an honest and informative discussion, such things need to be addressed and not overlooked or dismissed.

I wholeheartedly agree, sir. It has been longer than I can remember since a Trade dollar thread has appeared to be heading in a positive direction, and I do hope it continues.

 

I've really have to agree with BooksB4coins that if the Chinese went to such lengths to get everything right why didn't they polish the dies . According to what I've heard the top end fakes dies are made with lazer technology , use the same type presses that we used to make them . If after spending all that time and money they evidentally used extra pressure to make the squared rims but then forget to polish the dies . That doesn't make sense . Also for all of us that love Trade dollars , it's in our best interest to learn all we can about them so lets try to figure this one out .

 

I do take risks buying on eBay. In fact some say "you can't lose" with buyer protection. But personally, I'm with Mainebill as far as I would not risk it on this one. $1850 is a lot to tie up for a month while potentially wading through the Resolution Center.

 

Oh, you can still lose. But if you're prudent, yes, Buyer Protection greatly widens your opportunities.