are you brave enough

I wish I knew what type of obverse and reverse dies were used to make the '77 proofs . Breens doesn't say . I'd love to hear what Booksb4coins has to say .

 

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If it's fake it's one of the new breed Chinese fakes... Couldn't be 100% either way without it in hand... My gut says it's a real coin... But no way to be sure... And if it is genuine it has cleaning issues.

 

http://www.pcgs.com/books/breen-proofs/Chapter07-041.aspx

 

just wondering why a seller with a feedback score of only one, is allowed to list more than $1,000 of items a month?

 

I would not buy it for $10 since he touched it with his bare hands.

 

Gee... thanks, buddy!

Clearly the photos are not the best, but nothing immediately strikes me as being off. Starting with the reverse, it has the marks on the upper "E" of AMERICA and right side of the D in TRADE. On the obverse, the date placement looks pretty good, and in the 4th photo there appears to be a dink on the upper part of the 1. Without putting a great deal of time into this one, let's just say that if it's fake, it is exceptionally well done IMO.

 

Bogus as heck not sharply struck enough for a proof not reflective enough fields no contrast not a cleaned coin either is a flat out fake when they strike a proof trade the nail it a clear as a bell strike and exceptional detail you often see die polish lines too this looks more like a brand new fake business strike blast white too usually proof trades have some color often great color is worth scrap silver is all would be much more than $1850 if real

 

Compare pics of this real proof trade I have see how flat and lifeless the fake coin is see the minute die polish lines in mine not there in the fake mine only a pf 61 but still looks far sharper and more appealing then the fake the Chinese are getting better but they got a long way to go

 

Color wrong on this coin too if it was dipped would still have more of a patina and is too weakly struck looks more like an over cleaned business strike or like brand new silver which is what it is

 

Check out this 1877 proof on Heritage . It has the right type II /I with the same crooked tail and lack of great detail . I still wouldn't touch the ops coin , but I can't say if it's a fake or not . The question is why isn't slabbed .
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=388&lotNo=5182

 

I also see what could be polish lines or cleaning lines . One thing that bothers me though , or should I say another thing that bothers me is the cartwheel luster I think I'm seeing .

 

People buy stuff like this because there is no risk (other than losing out on shipping/grading fees), they could ship it out expedited to NGC/PCGS, if it comes back authentic they win big, if not they just file a dispute and get their money back.

How much is this coin worth roughly if its authentic?

 

It would depend on the grade , but Heritage sold a Pr65 this year for $14,000 + .

 

With what little we've to go on, it's tough to say, but the buyer should not be expecting a home run IMO.

Fine point, but with the provided photos, I wouldn't put a great deal of weight into this. It is very likely a problem example imaged that way for good reason.

This is an interesting thread though... perhaps it will turn out better than some others.

 

Wouldn't touch a coin like that for $1800. If a coin like that can't be sent in for $40, he/she knows why they don't want to send it...

 

you know, i dont think anyone actually looked at that after you said it. what is that? a scratch? i didn't like it before i saw that, someone just spent $1800 on some junkt

 

annnnnd....AND.....his name is sellingrarecoinsonline...and his only other item for sale is...a giant bowie knife. AND...the majority of bids on the fake trade dollar were shill bids.

 

So...this is a proof with unpolished fields...

I don't think so.

 

Unpolished fields AND a weak strike (for a proof) all adds up to.... Made in china!! I posted a real proof trade for comparison mine pf-61 pcgs came from ha and has the clear strong strike reflective fields and the multitude of die polish lines that every other proof trade (with the exception of abrasive cleaned ones) I've ever examined has had

 

Bowie knife probably a fake too the early ones faked as often as trade dollars